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Reply #315 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 9:13pm

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thetford569 wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 3:19pm:
NickN wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 2:18pm:
thetford569 wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 10:48pm:
thanks Nick.  I will work my way down the list and check the FSX Tuning Guide this weekend.  I actually have not seen that guide before and it gives me several items to try.  The only guides I had seen were the XP Tuning and FSX Setup guide which I have followed to the t.  If I can't figure it out with this I'll let you know.  Thanks again Nick and also to you truck911 for the list of items to check.

Brandon


thanks...I worked through some of the list last night and will do more tomorrow when I get home from work including removing 2 GB of RAM to go down to 4 GB total.  It just makes no sense to me though that my performance would drop from a steady 20 fps and pretty smooth flight to 10 fps and stutters with the same hardware but a better motherboard.  And I have not even installed any of my add-ons yet...I just wanted to get FSX+Acceleration running well and then install my add-ons later over a length of time because I just don't have time right now to devote a few days to install everything I have.

One thing I have noticed after taking care of a few things on the list is that if I put the frames into unlimited I get fps in the 30s-40s but it is still a stuttering mess.  One thing is though the textures all seem to be sharp and loading.  Oh well, I'll keep playing with it and see what happens.  I was just lucky before that I didn't have to do this much tweaking I guess?

Brandon


OK then your adventure is just beginning

Installing FSX and addons correctly is step 1

Setting up the system and optimizing correctly is step 2

Setting up FSX and tuning it for your hardware is step 3

Yep.. you will stutter like a rutting pig till you finish you mission and do it right

The first 5 or so posts on the first page of this thread includes all the info/linkage you need. It also includes the link to setting up FSX









Im not discounting the fact that you may have either defective hardware or a bad Windows/FSX install with this.. .or something out of sorts with BIOS or drivers.

Do keep in mind.. default FSX is a dog. Some addons like GEX actually increase perf. You should at the very least get the base environment addons installed like UTX and GEX and set up UTX right too  http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?s=&showtopic=247351&view=findpost&p=1566124   before tuning

UTX can cause all sorts of problems if not set up correctly.. Night lighting and cars in UTX are killers on perf. Read that entire post in the link provided about setting up UTX


 
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Reply #316 - Apr 14th, 2009 at 5:30pm

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well, I've worked through the list and I even did a complete Win XP 64 re-install + only FSX.  Installed per the correct order and did the XP optimization and defrag.  I've checked my hardware and BIOS settings and am not even running an overclock (although I tried).  I'm still getting fps in the 7-9 range with sometimes smooth flight.  I don't get this at all.  I'm mad and frustrated and it's time for me to give this up.  I bought a new motherboard so I could overclock and hopefully make my FSX experience better and instead it's much worse.  I had fps at 20 locked on my old motherboard with the default flight...now I have a 7 fps stuttering mess with a "better" motherboard.  This sucks!   Angry  I guess I have a hardware issue but I don't know where as everything works fine unless FSX is using it.

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Reply #317 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 4:36pm

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There must be something up with the hardware here..

Post the CPU, Mainboard and the Memory Tabs from CPUz and I will look at them and see if I spot anything obvious

http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpuz_150.zip

unzip.. run CPUz.exe
 
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Reply #318 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 10:07am

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here are the CPU-z reports:

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I see the core speed is 1600 at idle and I've seen it spike to 2400 which should be correct as I'm not overclocking at this time...but I'd like to.

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Reply #319 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 12:48pm

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Let chat about the 3 tabs..

First, the CPU is running 1.6 because of SPEEDSTEP and/or CE1 instruction. This is a feature that will need to be disabled in the BIOS if you intend to clock along with a few other features that hold back CPUs in clocks.

The Q6600 is actually old news however it will run a max of 3.6GHz with the right support settings and the right heatsink installed. Without an upgraded heatsink from the Intel provided unit you will not get much more that 3.2 safely.

Clock settings for DDR2 800 (400MHz as shown on the memory tab) and running 3.6GHz are:

MANUAL – CPU multiplier 9x
CPU FSB- 400
CPU STRAP – 333MHz
LOAD LINE CALIBRATION – ENABLED
CPU Vcore (voltage) somewhere between 1.4 and 1.45 as you need to find the lowest stable Vcore but no more than 1.45
MEMORY SPEED – DDR2 800
CPU Spread Spectrum PCIE Spread Spectrum both: DISABLED


CPU temp can not exceed 78c under a FULL LOAD TEST using the benchmark software OCCT and temp monitored by the software CPU

When clocking ALL the items DISABLED under the ADVANCED CPU settings

Speedstep CE1, Vanderpool,,. All of it DISABLED


If you are using a 64bit OS and more than 2GB some motherboards have a setting MEMORY REMAP FEATURE under the ADVANCED CHIPSET settings.. for 64bit OS and more than 2GB this must be ENABLED


Next, the memory tab indicates you are running DDR2 800 at a timing of 5-5-5. That is not bad and appears in line. 4-4-4 timing would be better if the memory would run it stable however it may not. It would also be better if the memory would run a COMMAND RATE of 1T however that is problematical and depends on the memory itself, the motherboard stability and the memory voltage. DRAM VOLTAGE is based on what the memory manufacture specs.. some have a max spec of 2.1v, others may limit that to 2.0. That is something that needs to be checked with the memory company and set manually in the BIOS.


Last.. the Mainboard tab.. and yes,
Houston.. we have a problem

Please note the LINK value x8

You are running HALF the speed on your PCIe video card port. This will totally bottleneck the video card and will not allow it to communicate to the buss. I ASSUME you have a modern x16 PCIe video card in this system. If so, you need to get into the BIOS and see if there is a MANUAL setting for PCIe LINK WIDTH and if so make sure it is set to x16 and not x8.. may be listed as FULL or HALF.. you want FULL

When CPUz reads x16 in BOTH boxes.. LINK WIDTH and MAX SUPPORTED you are running the correct PCIe port speed

Something else that can cause that is by having 2 video cards in the system on a motherboard that does not support x16 with 2 slots populated.. this is something people should never do if their board does not support the full x16 standard when more than one card is in the system… only use one card

I dont have time at this moment to look up the manual for this board and see what is and is not in the BIOS for settings however your first mission is to get that x8 reading in CPUz to read x16




 
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Reply #320 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 12:58pm

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ok I wondered about the PCI Express value when I saw it.  I am running a single NVIDIA 7950 GX2.  Not a new card by any means but not an old one either.  It should support 16x.  If I remember correctly in the BIOS under graphics I just have Auto, Fast, and Turbo but I will go right now and look for something different.  Oh, and I'm also not using the stock Intel cooler for the CPU so I should hopefully have no problem clocking.  Right now I'm just looking to get back in the range I was in at default clock speed before I try overclocking.

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Reply #321 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 1:02pm

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Brandon.. thats your 2nd problem

old news card.. you updated the mainbard and other parts but still using an old news card

At the VERY LEAST you should be on something like this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150267

8800GT or GTS

I do not know what drivers work best for your card.. I have not used a 7900 series card in years

 
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Reply #322 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 1:05pm

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The dual card design may be causing the issue of x8.. I would need to research the board and how it works with such cards


but do be aware the 2nd core on that card is USELESS to FSX

You spent the money in all the right places.. you just left out the last part that needed to be replaced so those new CPU/mainbaard parts had something to FEED that could keep up with it.. .that card and the x8 is the bottleneck and why perf dropped



 
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Reply #323 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 1:13pm

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well I just changed the only graphics settings I could find from Auto to Turbo which is the fastest it shows and it still shows x8.  I have the money for a new video card so I am assuming you recommend one of the two above that you posted?

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Reply #324 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 1:14pm

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Instead of going with the 8000 series which is being phased out.. I suggest the 260 which is in line with your parts

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130372

the core and memory speed are already clocked and you may be able to get a bit more out of them however that card is much more in line with your parts and what they are trying to do

The core design/type and speed is the key to FSX perf with a video card along with the memory buss speed (256bit and greater)

the 896MB video memory will allow you to work with bufferpools as well


 
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Reply #325 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 1:28pm

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thanks I'm looking right now.  I love New Egg and always use them but at this point I don't mind spending some extra $ and heading to Best Buy or Fry's to pick one up today.

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Reply #326 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 1:31pm

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I goofed... I posted the older 260 card above

Just make sure they are not selling you the OLDER 260 model with less that 216PC

216 processing cores is the model you want.. with the fastest core and memory speed they offer

the onler ones are 192 processing cores


this is the right card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130433
 
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Reply #327 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 1:36pm

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can you tell if this one is it?  http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8906437&type=product&id=1213046783...

I don't see anything about 216 processing cores
 
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Reply #328 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 1:49pm

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thetford569 wrote on Apr 16th, 2009 at 1:36pm:
can you tell if this one is it?  http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8906437&type=product&id=1213046783...

I don't see anything about 216 processing cores



Yes. so I would be cautious about that one

the one you posted for Cry's Electronics is correct.. and make sure they do not bait and switch.. check it at the store by the model number if its not on the box




 
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Reply #329 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 2:03pm

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and Brandon.. you will need to do some clocking because that Q6600 @ default is not what I would call top end for FSX.. even clocked to the max they are not going to beat something like a Q9650. None the less, I think you are on the right track now.


 
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