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Mar 1st, 2008 at 2:17am

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As some of you might know I might have to result to build my own gaming rig soon. Yes I know I haven't asked anything about hardware yet. I will soon.


I am planning to use my computer mostly for gaming with some high graphics. Planning to run FS9 FSX and other flight simulations. Will use it for basic daily use. I haven't thought of any more uses than that.


I would want high perfomence from it. Stable, reliable, little problems. I have heard Vista has little problems with networking and drivers so that will be an issue.

I am used to XP and trust it but I might need to move up to Vista soon enough.

What do you think I should use?

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Reply #1 - Mar 1st, 2008 at 11:30am

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More games are going to be coming out as vista compatible, and perhaps soon vista only.

The OS is stable... I have been using it for nearly a year now... FS9 and FSX work fine. I have got all the drivers I need for my hardware, and everything works.

Vista, in my opinion, is a much nicer OS to use (after the few days of getting used to it) and it will last you for quite a while. With my current system I am about about 56% RAM usage and 20% CPU usage when I use it for general things.

Get a good processor, atleast 2gb RAM, a nice graphics card and it wont take much out of your performance having Vista running.
 

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Reply #2 - Mar 1st, 2008 at 12:56pm

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Vista. I run FSX high-maxed 10-50fps
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I would recomend no less than 3gbs of RAM. Vista chews up 1 gb and FSX chews up 1.5gbs and crysis eats it all.
 
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Reply #3 - Mar 1st, 2008 at 5:51pm

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Get vista and make sure you get a good card that has directX10 full support Wink
 

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Reply #4 - Mar 1st, 2008 at 8:14pm

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If you run XP be sure to get this

http://www.windowsxlive.net/

It is basicly Vista but with XP Running so it runs like XP but loks liek Vista with the log on screens and toolbar and soudns and mouse and even 3d party vista software!!! It is wicked for a free thing Wink Grin What i am using now Tongue
 

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Reply #5 - Mar 2nd, 2008 at 8:32pm

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I've been afraid to try that or crystalxp.net stuff with all the changes it makes. If you want to remove it does it uninstall completely?
 

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Reply #6 - Mar 3rd, 2008 at 5:59am

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XP for me, vista looks nice but to much of a resource hog and i've had to many problems with it.
 
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Reply #7 - Mar 3rd, 2008 at 1:40pm

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For me, at the moment, Win XP aint broke, so no point in trying to fix it...Wink...!

Plus...I need all my "old" operating systems to run all my zillions of (old) Games...

I have vastly more "old" games than "new" ones...Wink...!

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Reply #8 - Mar 3rd, 2008 at 7:12pm

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Well...I have been reading up and see that Vista doesn't perform as well as XP on 3D games. I have a hunch I'll be going back to XP when I do my build.
 

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Reply #9 - Mar 3rd, 2008 at 8:18pm

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I guess if it's a home build I would do XP but my HP's vista just totally rocks crysis and FSX.
 
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Reply #10 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 12:08am

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Well for me right now xp, but when a few more driver versions are released and maybe see what SP1 does I'll switch I think Vista is a better operating system at the core than xp is, IMPO. And to see how much more is going on behind the scenes and how much more complex in gerneral I think the perfomance is pretty good in Vista overall. And maybe in a while it will be the preferd gaming platform. It has the potential I think.
 

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Reply #11 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 1:00am

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sonic wrote on Mar 4th, 2008 at 12:08am:
Well for me right now xp, but when a few more driver versions are released and maybe see what SP1 does I'll switch I think Vista is a better operating system at the core than xp is, IMPO. And to see how much more is going on behind the scenes and how much more complex in gerneral I think the perfomance is pretty good in Vista overall. And maybe in a while it will be the preferd gaming platform. It has the potential I think.


So many 'thinks'. Grin


Well SP1 for Vista from what I read doesn't really have a huge noticible effect on Vista. It doesn't seem to make huge differences like SP2 of XP.
 

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Reply #12 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 4:23am

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Wii wrote on Mar 3rd, 2008 at 8:18pm:
I guess if it's a home build I would do XP but my HP's vista just totally rocks crysis and FSX.


Wii....

Help us out here...

You are running Vista and FSX...

If Vista and FSX is such a good set-up on your computer, tell us why we constantly see you desperately trying to connect with our Server during our FS 2004 Multiplayer Flights...

..and having absolutely no success whatsoever.... Shocked...!

connect...disconnect....connect...disconnect...etc...etc... Wink...!

I was flying on line on Sam's Server continuously yesterday for 10+ hours without a problem, or a single break in the connection, which I do every day of the week, and watching various other FS 2004 Pilots flying without any problems whatsoever, courtesy of FS Navigator.... Smiley...!

This lets me know whether the pilots are using FS 2004 or FSX at the time...>>>
http://cockpit.netfrag.org:8090/
I rarely spot any FSX Pilots there!...Wink..!
There has to be something wrong with their system!

Win XP and FS 2004 gives me no problems every day, whether on-line or not, so why should I want to tempt fate?... Roll Eyes...!

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Reply #13 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 8:08am

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I rarely spot any FSX Pilots there!.....!
There has to be something wrong with their system!


Or... they're flying on servers where they don't have to run a 3rd party app to connect  Wink
 
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Reply #14 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 8:20am

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And... soon enough 64bit apps will be the norm.. and computers needing 4+GB of RAM will be the norm.... AND.. ensuing generations of DirectX will push us all, not only into Vista.. but into 64bit Vista.

Resistance is futile  Cheesy
 
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Reply #15 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 2:30pm

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Fozzer wrote on Mar 4th, 2008 at 4:23am:
Wii wrote on Mar 3rd, 2008 at 8:18pm:
I guess if it's a home build I would do XP but my HP's vista just totally rocks crysis and FSX.


Wii....

Help us out here...

You are running Vista and FSX...

If Vista and FSX is such a good set-up on your computer, tell us why we constantly see you desperately trying to connect with our Server during our FS 2004 Multiplayer Flights...

..and having absolutely no success whatsoever.... Shocked...!

connect...disconnect....connect...disconnect...etc...etc... Wink...!

Router....Router....Router....
Stupid linksys router only likes FS9 default multiplayer Sad But, FS9 is just as good as FSX. (Using FSHOSTspy)
I've always had this problem. May not be the router. Changed routers 3 times. Dlink...linksys...belkin. Tongue FSX+Vista=not bad...but not great but better than XP. Tongue
 
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Reply #16 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 2:53pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Mar 4th, 2008 at 8:20am:
And... soon enough 64bit apps will be the norm.. and computers needing 4+GB of RAM will be the norm.... AND.. ensuing generations of DirectX will push us all, not only into Vista.. but into 64bit Vista.

Resistance is futile  Cheesy


..promise me that MegaVista, 1024 bit, DX18, 56 GB Ram, etc, will still run all the zillions of Year 1980-2000 games in the crates in my spare room...

...please... Roll Eyes...!

I can think of very few new "Games" that excite me nowadays that would encourage me to spend mega-bucks on computer upgrades every six months....Wink...!

I would rather spend the money on a new Petrol Lawn-mower...
..or a nice new Gas Cooker...
...even a nice new Piano..!!

Computers, and Computer Games, are not really one of my expensive addictions..

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Reply #17 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 2:55pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Mar 4th, 2008 at 8:20am:
And... soon enough 64bit apps will be the norm.. and computers needing 4+GB of RAM will be the norm.... AND.. ensuing generations of DirectX will push us all, not only into Vista.. but into 64bit Vista.

Resistance is futile  Cheesy

Yup. Give in. 3gbs of RAM is becoming standard on computers today. Go to bestbuy, you'll see what I mean.
 
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Reply #18 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 3:23pm

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Wii wrote on Mar 4th, 2008 at 2:55pm:
Brett_Henderson wrote on Mar 4th, 2008 at 8:20am:
And... soon enough 64bit apps will be the norm.. and computers needing 4+GB of RAM will be the norm.... AND.. ensuing generations of DirectX will push us all, not only into Vista.. but into 64bit Vista.

Resistance is futile  Cheesy

Yup. Give in. 3gbs of RAM is becoming standard on computers today. Go to bestbuy, you'll see what I mean.


...my existing 2.3Gb of RAM is more than enough for everything I throw at it with Win XP.....my 2.6 GHz Processor... and my 7800 GS Graphics card... Smiley...!

No problems with anything I am interested in running!...Wink...!
....any more expense not necessary..!

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Reply #19 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 3:52pm

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Fozzer wrote on Mar 4th, 2008 at 3:23pm:
Wii wrote on Mar 4th, 2008 at 2:55pm:
Brett_Henderson wrote on Mar 4th, 2008 at 8:20am:
And... soon enough 64bit apps will be the norm.. and computers needing 4+GB of RAM will be the norm.... AND.. ensuing generations of DirectX will push us all, not only into Vista.. but into 64bit Vista.

Resistance is futile  Cheesy

Yup. Give in. 3gbs of RAM is becoming standard on computers today. Go to bestbuy, you'll see what I mean.


...my existing 2.3Gb of RAM is more than enough for everything I throw at it with Win XP.....my 2.6 GHz Processor... and my 7800 GS Graphics card... Smiley...!

No problems with anything I am interested in running!...Wink...!
....any more expense not necessary..!

Paul...G-BPLF... Cool...!

Vista is a resource eater but is becoming popular for SOME people. I like it. I guess it is just your opinion on it.
Also, Vista opens up DX10 and further on. You never know...FS11 might be Vista only  Wink
 
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Reply #20 - Mar 5th, 2008 at 3:13am
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Hard one.

If you HAVE a Windows XP laying around, OEM, then chuck it onto your new computer.... and install Vista LATER. Otherwise, I would probably chuck in Vista.

I have XP Home, couldn't be bothered with Vista and all the potential problems and the fact that DX10 doesn't have major improvements over DX9 (Currently). Perhaps later this year, I'll buy some new RAM.... 2x2gb DDR2-1066.... Vista64... new power supply.... CPU cooler.... then OC this thing to like 3.4ghz. Mmmmmmmmm.
 
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Reply #21 - Mar 9th, 2008 at 12:45am

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Ok...I have thought it over.

I will install XP Pro or Media Center on the Machine SP2. The motherboard will most likely be a nForce780i.


Any more opinions or theories are very much welcomed.
 

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Reply #22 - Mar 9th, 2008 at 9:46am

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XP Pro > Media Center. I run both (one upstairs and one on the downstairs PC), and XP Pro is much better. For gaming, media center is so full of crap that the starting processes are easily up in the 50's, eating up precious system resources. My current XP Pro startup list is running at 33 proccesess, much less of a memory hog Wink

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Reply #23 - Mar 9th, 2008 at 12:12pm

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I'll run it with XP Pro 64bit if I can find it at the local hardware supplier.
 

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Reply #24 - Mar 10th, 2008 at 1:43am

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I am a huge Vista fan but use XP on my work computer because of the BOTs we use.

For gaming I use Vista 64 and have never had a problem with it.

It has been my experience that Vista 64 is faster and more responsive than Vista 32. But that might be my perticular computer.

My grandkids favorite computer is the old windows 95 computer in the basement with all of the old games that are more suited for their age.

Whats the best OS? Users choice I would say.
 

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Reply #25 - Mar 10th, 2008 at 6:33pm

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richardd43 wrote on Mar 10th, 2008 at 1:43am:
I am a huge Vista fan but use XP on my work computer because of the BOTs we use.

For gaming I use Vista 64 and have never had a problem with it.

It has been my experience that Vista 64 is faster and more responsive than Vista 32. But that might be my perticular computer.

My grandkids favorite computer is the old windows 95 computer in the basement with all of the old games that are more suited for their age.

Whats the best OS? Users choice I would say.


I have made up my mind for just now that I will use XP pro 64bit. But the thing you just posted leads me to belive that both OSs are about the same.
 

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You have to go with a 64bit O/S if you want to avail 4GB of RAM..
 
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Reply #27 - Mar 10th, 2008 at 7:01pm

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And.. the reason I'd go with Vista, is that it's already a year old.. and any subsequent DirectX won't be available for XP..

I got a feeling that to take full advantage of PCIe2.0, you'll need to be on the newest DirectX..
 
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Brett_Henderson wrote on Mar 10th, 2008 at 7:01pm:
And.. the reason I'd go with Vista, is that it's already a year old.. and any subsequent DirectX won't be available for XP..

I got a feeling that to take full advantage of PCIe2.0, you'll need to be on the newest DirectX..


On ya forgot about my PCIE 2.0. GOing to rethink Vista now.


Thanks for the info. Wink
 

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richardd43 wrote on Mar 10th, 2008 at 1:43am:
I am a huge Vista fan but use XP on my work computer because of the BOTs we use.

For gaming I use Vista 64 and have never had a problem with it.

It has been my experience that Vista 64 is faster and more responsive than Vista 32. But that might be my perticular computer.

My grandkids favorite computer is the old windows 95 computer in the basement with all of the old games that are more suited for their age.

Whats the best OS? Users choice I would say.


I'm a 74 year old Great-Grandad, and my 2nd Hard Drive has Windows '98SE installed on it to run my zillions of fun, "Old Games", which I prefer to play more often than most of the "New Stuff"!...Wink...!

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Reply #31 - Mar 11th, 2008 at 9:37pm

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I might have to give Vista another chance I didnt really think the results would be as close as they are. Seems more and more poeple are making the change to Vista.
 

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I don't use the multiplayer option on games nor FSX but what I can say is that I never have problems with Vista.

It is rather frustrating when it comes to adimistration rights, for example editing .cfg files. I always have to move it to my desktop to be able to make changes.

Other then that, Vista is fine.

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vista can be so anoying sometimes, but there are great benefits to gaming with it now and there are more to come for the future.

by the way thats my personal opinion so n one take offence, i dont wanna start an argument on the whole "vista sucks" thing.
 

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GreaseMonkey wrote on Mar 16th, 2008 at 8:28am:
by the way thats my personal opinion so n one take offence, i dont wanna start an argument on the whole "vista sucks" thing.



We won't start anything. This is just a friendly, educated conversation comparing 2 OSs.

Well the reason I want to buy Vista right now is the future and advantages in software. XP I know will be great as I have used it but it won't develop into something bigger in the not so distant future. SP3 for XP might be the last one and Vista is just starting its Service packs.
 

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Flying Mouse wrote on Mar 13th, 2008 at 7:06am:
I don't use the multiplayer option on games nor FSX but what I can say is that I never have problems with Vista.

It is rather frustrating when it comes to adimistration rights, for example editing .cfg files. I always have to move it to my desktop to be able to make changes.

Other then that, Vista is fine.

Just my 2 cents.

Ugh YES! Hopefully SP1 will fix that.
In my opinion, a1, you should get Vista Home Premium 64-bit and boot XP on another drive. If you want a high end system, you need a high end OS that will recognize all the hardware and use it all correctly...from what I have heard, XP is not good with more than a gig or two of ram...
 
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Reply #36 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 1:42pm

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.from what I have heard, XP is not good with more than a gig or two of ram...


XP 32bit can use upto 3.5GB of RAM. With 2GB of RAM plus a 512MB videocard XP will use all of it. It's just when you have 4GB of RAM, it won't use it all.
 
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Reply #37 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 3:22pm

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So....

Who's got £220+, they want to thrust into my hot, sweaty palm, to enable me to purchase Windows Vista?... Roll Eyes...!

...I think Win XP will be with me for a while, yet!...Wink..!

Buggar!......and I'm so desperate to give Uncle Bill some more money for his special projects... Roll Eyes...!

Paul... Grin...!

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0137466068....
 

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Reply #38 - Mar 21st, 2008 at 8:06pm

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Now I very highly suggest getting Vista because SP1 has changed and improved a ton of things.










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Reply #39 - Mar 22nd, 2008 at 6:00am

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Latest Operating System?
Latest Graphics Drivers?

Having about 10,000* "0ld Games" which I play regularly, and just 3 "New Games" which I rarely play, I find that I am constantly rolling BACK to older operating systems, and older graphics drivers, to get my games to work correctly, so for me "Newer is definitely not Better!"...Wink...!

Just installed a nice 2002 Game...now I need to install earlier nVidia Graphics drivers to correct various graphics display faults... Cry...!
(I often have to roll back to Windows '98SE!)

Paul...A Veteran Games Player... Cool...!

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Reply #40 - Mar 22nd, 2008 at 3:27pm
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Fozzer wrote on Mar 17th, 2008 at 3:22pm:
So....

Who's got £220+, they want to thrust into my hot, sweaty palm, to enable me to purchase Windows Vista?... Roll Eyes...!

...I think Win XP will be with me for a while, yet!...Wink..!

Buggar!......and I'm so desperate to give Uncle Bill some more money for his special projects... Roll Eyes...!

Paul... Grin...!



PC World are super expensive Paul, you can pick up an OEM version of Vista on the net for around £60.00  Cool

Still a lot of dough but a lot less than £220....
 
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