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Feb 4^th, 2008 at 11:24am

EGNX Offline
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Norton is about to run out. Should I subscribe again, or is there any cheaper equivalents or better alternatives?

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Reply #1 - Feb 4^th, 2008 at 11:37am

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I run AVG... It's free and works well for me.

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Reply #2 - Feb 4^th, 2008 at 12:29pm

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AVG in this corner, free and fab Wink

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Reply #3 - Feb 4^th, 2008 at 6:29pm

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Why be cheaper when you can be free. Wink

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Reply #4 - Feb 4^th, 2008 at 6:47pm

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http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html

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Reply #5 - Feb 4^th, 2008 at 6:53pm

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...your major problem now, is getting "Norton" completely removed from your Hard Drive!... Cry

...!

I found a complete "Format" of the HDD was the only way to avoid the complex problem!... Shocked

...!

Paul....AVG for Free... Smiley

...!

Mr. Norton doesn't take kindly to the thought of being "Un-Installed"... Angry

...!

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Reply #6 - Feb 4^th, 2008 at 7:42pm

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Fozzer wrote on Feb 4^th, 2008 at 6:53pm:

...your major problem now, is getting "Norton" completely removed from your Hard Drive!... Cry

...!

I found a complete "Format" of the HDD was the only way to avoid the complex problem!... Shocked

...!

Paul....AVG for Free... Smiley

...!

Mr. Norton doesn't take kindly to the thought of being "Un-Installed"... Angry

...!

Yup, I made the mistake of installing Norton once,.............ONCE.

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Reply #7 - Feb 5^th, 2008 at 4:04am

freedomhays Offline
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Groundbound1 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2008 at 7:42pm:

Fozzer wrote on Feb 4^th, 2008 at 6:53pm:

...your major problem now, is getting "Norton" completely removed from your Hard Drive!... Cry

...!

I found a complete "Format" of the HDD was the only way to avoid the complex problem!... Shocked

...!

Paul....AVG for Free... Smiley

...!

Mr. Norton doesn't take kindly to the thought of being "Un-Installed"... Angry

...!

Yup, I made the mistake of installing Norton once,.............ONCE.

http://www.majorgeeks.com/Norton_Removal_Tool_SymNRT_d4749.html

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Reply #8 - Feb 5^th, 2008 at 4:15am

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DON'T use the uninstaller tool from Symantec, it is rubbish Wink

Do the following;
1. Go to Start --> Control Panel --> Add/Remove Programs.
2. Scroll down to your Norton program
3. Click Change --> Remove All. You will be asked to restart your PC. Do so.
4. Now go to Start --> My Computer --> Program Files. Right click on each Symantec folder and select Delete.
5. While you are in Program Files go to the Common Files folder at or near the top of the Program Files window. Delete every Symantec folder there. And, again, restart your PC.
6. Go to Start --> Search --> All Files and Folders --> More Advanced Options. Check each option except for "Case sensitive" Now type in Norton and delete each Norton folder from the search results (Again, right click, choose "Delete"). One more time, restart your PC.
7. Repeat step 5 except type Symantec in the "Search" box.

The next step is trickier: go into the Registry.

1. First thing to do is Back up the Registry. But suffice it to say that the presence of uninstalled security software in the Registry can conflict with newly installed security software and cause system freezes. So can folders of "uninstalled" programs for that matter.
2. Once again, go to Start, then click on "Run". Type in "regedit"
3. Go to the top of the Regedit window. Click (+) next to HKEY_CURRENT_USER. Go down the thread until you see Software. Click on Software and scroll down the thread until you see Symantec. Right click on Symantec and choose "Delete".
4. From there go down to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE and repeat step 3. Restart your PC.
5. Click (+) next to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, now: Click (+) next to Software, Click (+) next to Microsoft, Click (+) next to Windows and Click (+) next to CurrentVersion.
6. Select the Run folder. Right-click and delete each Symantec entry you see (if present). Restart your PC.

That should completely eradicate Norton Antivirus from your system!

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Reply #9 - Feb 5^th, 2008 at 4:37am

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Norton is the anti-virus from hell!

once you have it removed, you will notice a slight performance increase

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Reply #10 - Feb 5^th, 2008 at 3:01pm

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Thanks for the help guys!

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Reply #11 - Feb 12^th, 2008 at 4:28am

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J. wrote on Feb 5^th, 2008 at 4:37am:

Norton is the anti-virus from hell!

once you have it removed, you will notice a slight performance increase

I installed Norton onto a stable XP machine once, then I saw my first XP BSOD. I'd do a fresh format, the installer will still leave norton/synmatec system files behind.

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Reply #12 - Feb 13^th, 2008 at 2:17am

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Mermaid Man wrote on Feb 12^th, 2008 at 4:28am:

I installed Norton onto a stable XP machine once, then I saw my first XP BSOD. I'd do a fresh format, the installer will still leave norton/synmatec system files behind.

How is that possible? I thought formatting the hard disk erased everything from the disk? Huh

ozzy72 wrote on Feb 5^th, 2008 at 4:15am:

DON'T use the uninstaller tool from Symantec, it is rubbish Wink

Do the following;
1. Go to Start --> Control Panel --> Add/Remove Programs.
2. Scroll down to your Norton program
3. Click Change --> Remove All. You will be asked to restart your PC. Do so.
4. Now go to Start --> My Computer --> Program Files. Right click on each Symantec folder and select Delete.
5. While you are in Program Files go to the Common Files folder at or near the top of the Program Files window. Delete every Symantec folder there. And, again, restart your PC.
6. Go to Start --> Search --> All Files and Folders --> More Advanced Options. Check each option except for "Case sensitive" Now type in Norton and delete each Norton folder from the search results (Again, right click, choose "Delete"). One more time, restart your PC.
7. Repeat step 5 except type Symantec in the "Search" box.

The next step is trickier: go into the Registry.

1. First thing to do is Back up the Registry. But suffice it to say that the presence of uninstalled security software in the Registry can conflict with newly installed security software and cause system freezes. So can folders of "uninstalled" programs for that matter.
2. Once again, go to Start, then click on "Run". Type in "regedit"
3. Go to the top of the Regedit window. Click (+) next to HKEY_CURRENT_USER. Go down the thread until you see Software. Click on Software and scroll down the thread until you see Symantec. Right click on Symantec and choose "Delete".
4. From there go down to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE and repeat step 3. Restart your PC.
5. Click (+) next to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, now: Click (+) next to Software, Click (+) next to Microsoft, Click (+) next to Windows and Click (+) next to CurrentVersion.
6. Select the Run folder. Right-click and delete each Symantec entry you see (if present). Restart your PC.

That should completely eradicate Norton Antivirus from your system!

This works like a charm...My laptop boots so much faster now Cool

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Reply #13 - Mar 21^st, 2008 at 10:47am

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I have two questions:

1- How do I backup my registry? In other words, where is the file so that I can make a copy and put it in a safe place?

2- In c:/program files/common files/symantec shared/ccpd-lc I have three files that XP will not delete. The files are symlcnet.dll, symlcrst.dll and symlcscv.exe Any idea of how to delete them?

Rod

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Reply #14 - Mar 21^st, 2008 at 2:16pm

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Fozzer wrote on Feb 4^th, 2008 at 6:53pm:

...your major problem now, is getting "Norton" completely removed from your Hard Drive!... Cry

...!

I found a complete "Format" of the HDD was the only way to avoid the complex problem!... Shocked

...!

Paul....AVG for Free... Smiley

...!

Mr. Norton doesn't take kindly to the thought of being "Un-Installed"... Angry

...!

The truth! My other laptop is...cursed with norton...

Poor laptop... Cry

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Reply #15 - Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 7:55pm

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Get avg. and anti-vir classic( and it's not old but it's good)

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Reply #16 - Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 9:29pm

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Mazza wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 7:55pm:

Get avg. and anti-vir classic( and it's not old but it's good)

I'd say one OR the other. Not a good idea to use both at once.

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Reply #17 - Mar 23^rd, 2008 at 10:02am

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I use AVG plus some freeware spywarekillers and a free firewall. Beats Norton all the time. Got rid of that crap many years ago.

Crash Wink

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Reply #18 - Mar 24^th, 2008 at 6:11pm

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I have Norton 360 and don't have any performance issues - hitting 150 - 200FPS in the air on one mission with a Q6600 and 2GB RAM with the Nidia 8600GTS 512MB.

I don't like the idea of free software being the sole guard of my computer with so much valuable stuff on it. Don't get me wrong AVG is fantastic and I have it on a win 2k machine, but that's just me.

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Reply #19 - Apr 2^nd, 2008 at 3:47pm

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for my computers i use Mcfee Enterprise 8.5. my dad got it through his work Wink

no noticeable performance drop.

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Reply #20 - Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 7:10am

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drummer_tom wrote on Mar 24^th, 2008 at 6:11pm:

I have Norton 360 and don't have any performance issues - hitting 150 - 200FPS in the air on one mission with a Q6600 and 2GB RAM with the Nidia 8600GTS 512MB.

I don't like the idea of free software being the sole guard of my computer with so much valuable stuff on it. Don't get me wrong AVG is fantastic and I have it on a win 2k machine, but that's just me.

Using freeware to protect your PC isn't always that bad an idea, as long as you realize that no ONE program is going to offer COMPLETE protection.

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AMD Athlon X2 6400+ w/ZeroTherm BTF90,
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Reply #21 - Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 7:20am

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...this is the ONLY version of Norton you need....

...Trust me... Wink

...>>>>

http://www.motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic_bikes/norton_classic.html

Paul....Mine's a Honda... Wink

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Reply #22 - Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 8:53am

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Groundbound1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 7:10am:

drummer_tom wrote on Mar 24^th, 2008 at 6:11pm:

I have Norton 360 and don't have any performance issues - hitting 150 - 200FPS in the air on one mission with a Q6600 and 2GB RAM with the Nidia 8600GTS 512MB.

I don't like the idea of free software being the sole guard of my computer with so much valuable stuff on it. Don't get me wrong AVG is fantastic and I have it on a win 2k machine, but that's just me.

Using freeware to protect your PC isn't always that bad an idea, as long as you realize that no ONE program is going to offer COMPLETE protection.

Of course, and I do have freeware on here too. AVG Antispyware, Adaware, Spybot and Super Antispyware. But I PERSONALLY would not rely on freeware alone is what I meant

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Reply #23 - Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 1:42pm

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There isnt anything wrong with freeware.

I mean, it is like saying charity work isnt as good as hiring people.

Besides, AVG has a payware big-brother. It is a good incentive to go and get the free version and then upgrade.

AVG/AVAST (I reccomend choosing and using only 1 though. Programs like these will like to clash)
Spybot Search and Destroy
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The 3/4 things you need to have some good and free protection from nasties.

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Reply #24 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 8:39pm

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Trend Micro Security Suite 2008. Though if you using Vista do NOT upgrade to SP1 before installing new software.

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