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Reply #15 - Jan 4th, 2008 at 7:45pm

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Now that we have that cleared up, how do I find the distance of an airport from a VOR? Can this be found at SkyVector?


Yes... and no. Skyvector just shows charts...  if you have the  VFR sectional in front of you  (pick one up.. each one has a huge enough area to let you plan and fly countless flights), you can measure the distance from a VOR to an airport...  OR.. if you go to www.airnav.com ;  ...  each airport's main page has a list of nearby nav-aids; their bearing and distance to the airport..


 
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Reply #16 - Jan 4th, 2008 at 8:16pm

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Thanks  Smiley

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Reply #17 - Jan 4th, 2008 at 8:20pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Jan 4th, 2008 at 7:45pm:
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Now that we have that cleared up, how do I find the distance of an airport from a VOR? Can this be found at SkyVector?


Yes... and no. Skyvector just shows charts...  if you have the  VFR sectional in front of you  (pick one up.. each one has a huge enough area to let you plan and fly countless flights), you can measure the distance from a VOR to an airport...  OR.. if you go to www.airnav.com ;  ...  each airport's main page has a list of nearby nav-aids; their bearing and distance to the airport..




Another simple way is to look at the MSFS navlog: if the VOR in question is loaded as a waypoint, the log will show you bearing and distance to the next waypoint, which is your destination.
VORs are aligned with local magnetic north, so assuming MSFS has the local variation plugged-in, the mag heading it gives you will be the same as the number of the outbound radial you want. this does not account for wind, of course...

But Airnav is better if you don't want to bother making up and saving a plan using the sim. Most airport listings list more than one VOR or NDB nearby with bearings and distance, and they also sometimes include airport diagrams as well as all relevant runway info.

Best of all, of course, for any scenario, is to get a real chart (pilot shops throw them away, unused, when they expire) and find the correct radial and distances yourself. You don't need to buy a plotter- the scale is on the chart. Mark 10 nm increments on a piece of paper or ruler or use dividers, and you're good to go. This will work even if you have printed a chart from skyvector and it's not full-sized.
 

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Reply #18 - Jan 4th, 2008 at 8:47pm

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Next is the fine and fading art of NDB use   Smiley
 
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Reply #19 - Jan 7th, 2008 at 6:46pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Jan 4th, 2008 at 8:47pm:
Next is the fine and fading art of NDB use   Smiley

Yipee!  *Slides into desk and waits patiently...*  Grin

I could use some NDB/ADF practice, since I've only ever used the ADF to listen to AM radio. Wink
 

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Reply #20 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 9:31pm

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Brings back fond memories of flying direct to-and holding endlessly at- the Paterson NDB near KTEB...


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Reply #21 - Feb 4th, 2008 at 3:15am

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....mmm......seems a lot of trouble to me........I just set the GPS.(Cost a fortune so I use it).. connect it to the AP and go to SLEEP..........when I wake up my trusty c172 is doing circuits of the selected airport ...........commoner Wink

 

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Reply #22 - Feb 4th, 2008 at 7:50am

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I've always thought of a flight simulator as a tool for simulating flight  Roll Eyes

More specifically, simulating the job of being a pilot  Wink

That includes flying the plane.. and navigating ..  If you're just going to sit back and watch a GPS and autopilot do it.. you might as well be a passenger  Smiley
 
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Reply #23 - Feb 4th, 2008 at 1:33pm

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commoner wrote on Feb 4th, 2008 at 3:15am:
....mmm......seems a lot of trouble to me........I just set the GPS.(Cost a fortune so I use it).. connect it to the AP and go to SLEEP..........when I wake up my trusty c172 is doing circuits of the selected airport ...........commoner Wink




I hope you have traffic turned off! Wink

Last few years , when I see traffic in RL that ought to see me but appears clueless, I assume they are watching that doggone GPS like it was TV, or yes, perhaps sleeping while the AP and the GPS do their magic...  Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #24 - Feb 5th, 2008 at 3:12am

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Feb 4th, 2008 at 7:50am:
I've always thought of a flight simulator as a tool for simulating flight  Roll Eyes

More specifically, simulating the job of being a pilot  Wink

That includes flying the plane.. and navigating ..  If you're just going to sit back and watch a GPS and autopilot do it.. you might as well be a passenger  Smiley



LOL...you mean nobody uses the GPS and AP.........what a bloomin' waste...........commoner Shocked Grin

Seriously though,the Flight Simulator is a thing for all men...whether you like to be flying......designing scenery....creating planes  (for guys who merely like to fly).........or merely just hanging around the SimV forum trying to help simmers with problems..........it's all a part of the great world of FS.........we all enjoy it in our own particular way.........don't you agree Brett?  Wink

PS... this is not RL...in real life I look out the windows......... Grin Grin
 

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Reply #25 - Feb 5th, 2008 at 9:06am

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LOL...you mean nobody uses the GPS and AP.........what a bloomin' waste...........commoner  

Seriously though,the Flight Simulator is a thing for all men...whether you like to be flying......designing scenery....creating planes  (for guys who merely like to fly).........or merely just hanging around the SimV forum trying to help simmers with problems..........it's all a part of the great world of FS.........we all enjoy it in our own particular way.........don't you agree Brett?  

PS... this is not RL...in real life I look out the windows.........  


Oh for sure..  Smiley  The Sim is for any number of people, for any number of reasons... I spend just as much mental energy building MSFS models, as I do flying the Simulator... but.. umm errr...  we're concentrating on the realistic piloting aspect here.  Right in the middle of navigation fundementals.

"Flight School"  ..  "Sim Flight Trainning"  Wink

I posted in the 'Real Aviation' section, about a real instrument flight I just took... I can promise you two times twice.. that simming has helped keep my real pilot frame of mind sharp.. and re-teaching these fundementals to fellow simmers has been as good for me, as it has been fun.

I too turn the MSFS C172 over to the autopilot quite often... and let a real autopilot fly for me, when one's available. But there are no GPSs and autopilots when you're learning the basics... both in the sim, and in RL  Smiley
 
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Reply #26 - Feb 13th, 2008 at 12:31am
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Couldn't you fly DCT to VOR2 until intercepting VOR1 085 outbound, set VOR2 OBS to 155 and fly 085 until VOR2 shows crossover?
 
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Reply #27 - Feb 13th, 2008 at 6:58am

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Couldn't you fly DCT to VOR2 until intercepting VOR1 085 outbound, set VOR2 OBS to 155 and fly 085 until VOR2 shows crossover?


ABSOLUTELY !  Smiley   And an excellent way to do it, VFR. I was hoping someone would suggest that.

You wouldn't want to file it that way, IFR though. Unless the intersection was a named waypoint/fix (and it quite probably would be, if Airport 2 had several, published approaches)
 
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Reply #28 - Feb 19th, 2008 at 7:39pm

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