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Dec 29th, 2007 at 7:49am
Sir Crashalot   Ex Member

 
Hello lads,

Got this idea when Mark posted his question about his Firefox problem. For as long as I can remeber there has been this Firefox logo/button on Simviation.com. I'm no user of Firefox, I use Maxthon. It's a browser with the IE engine but with a lot of extra options. Can someone explain to me what's so special about Firefox? I hear a lot of stories about it but what makes it better than IE for example?

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Reply #1 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 8:29am

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It runs faster for me, its easy to customise, loads of addons for it, looks better than IE. Thats my opinion.  Wink
 
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Reply #2 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 8:39am

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Mozilla Firefox....

It very quickly came up with a very useful "Spell Checker" and "Dictionary".... Smiley....

...(shame they don't include "English" English!)... Roll Eyes....!

LOL... Grin...!

Paul....(England)... Cool...!

It also includes my E-Mail from my ISP.... Smiley...!

* ...interestingly....If I want to include Picture attachments within my E-Mail text, I have to resort to using MS "Outlook Express", rather than my Firefox E-Mail Browser!!


 

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Reply #3 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 10:07am

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Err Paul there has been a Queens English dictionary for Firefox for a couple of weeks now Wink
 

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Reply #4 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 10:59am

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MrJake2002 wrote on Dec 29th, 2007 at 8:29am:
It runs faster for me, its easy to customise, loads of addons for it, looks better than IE. Thats my opinion.  Wink


Quite. Altogether quicker and easier to use. Smiley
 
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Reply #5 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 12:09pm
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Thanks gents. I'll have a go at it.

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Reply #6 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 6:06pm

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Crash for f***s sake look at a pre-2.0.0.10 version 'cos after that seems to be shagged! I've just wasted 36 hours or so getting things working again and sadly V.2.0.0.0. seems to be more stable than 2.0.0.10 or 2.0.0.11 which both are about as stable as an epileptic weasel in a bowl of jelly during an earthquake!
 

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Reply #7 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 6:11pm

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ozzy72 wrote on Dec 29th, 2007 at 6:06pm:
Crash for f***s sake look at a pre-2.0.0.10 version 'cos after that seems to be shagged! I've just wasted 36 hours or so getting things working again and sadly V.2.0.0.0. seems to be more stable than 2.0.0.10 or 2.0.0.11 which both are about as stable as an epileptic weasel in a bowl of jelly during an earthquake!

I have Firefox 2.0.0.11 which I believe is the latest version as it updates automatically. I've had no problems with it.
 

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Reply #8 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 6:22pm

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My poor old rig has been up-and-down more times than a tarts knickers due to it Doug.
I've switched back to 2.0.0.0 and since then nay worries. I'm baffled as normally Firefox is so thoroughly tested before release but this time something seems amiss....
 

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Reply #9 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 6:26pm

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I'm wondering how you would switch back to a previous version. I assume only the latest version is available for download.
 

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Reply #10 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 7:10pm

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Hagar wrote on Dec 29th, 2007 at 6:11pm:
ozzy72 wrote on Dec 29th, 2007 at 6:06pm:
Crash for f***s sake look at a pre-2.0.0.10 version 'cos after that seems to be shagged! I've just wasted 36 hours or so getting things working again and sadly V.2.0.0.0. seems to be more stable than 2.0.0.10 or 2.0.0.11 which both are about as stable as an epileptic weasel in a bowl of jelly during an earthquake!

I have Firefox 2.0.0.11 which I believe is the latest version as it updates automatically. I've had no problems with it.


Same...

From my 'About Firefox'... Quote:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071127 ImageShackToolbar/4.3.5 Firefox/2.0.0.11
 
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Reply #11 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 7:44pm
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Hagar wrote on Dec 29th, 2007 at 6:11pm:
ozzy72 wrote on Dec 29th, 2007 at 6:06pm:
Crash for f***s sake look at a pre-2.0.0.10 version 'cos after that seems to be shagged! I've just wasted 36 hours or so getting things working again and sadly V.2.0.0.0. seems to be more stable than 2.0.0.10 or 2.0.0.11 which both are about as stable as an epileptic weasel in a bowl of jelly during an earthquake!

I have Firefox 2.0.0.11 which I believe is the latest version as it updates automatically. I've had no problems with it.


Same here, no problems  Cool
 
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Reply #12 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 3:21am

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You have to remember that I've got a steam powered 7 year old machine. It seems to be held together with string, gaffer tape and chewing gum! It just doesn't agree with my rig.
I'm sitting here running 2.0.0.0 and nowt has gone wrong since putting it on the system Cool
 

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Reply #13 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 4:34am

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OK, I'll accept that but still don't understand how you reverted to version 2.0.0.0 or where Crash would download it.
 

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Reply #14 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:35am

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Same here no probs,fast as chuff Grin Grin

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Reply #15 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:37am
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Unlike Marks' computer mine isn't steampowered nor held together with rubber bands. I'll try the latest version first, Doug.

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Reply #16 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:39am

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Unlike Marks' computer mine isn't steampowered nor held together with rubber bands. I'll try the latest version first, Doug.

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Good. I don't think you'll be disappointed. Smiley
 

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Reply #17 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 8:34am

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I used both IE and FF, currently on FF, mainly deu too it being faster, just as good looking, and it can actualy draw the webstandards as they are supposed too be and not the forced-down-on-us webstandards that microsoft likes. Although that is just a developer's thing.
 
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Reply #18 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 3:11pm

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Do the right thing...Go for Opera. I use it and it's soooo easier & practical to use, and its so fast as firefox(maybe faster than FF).
Trust me, you are going to love it(as I did).

Cheers Smiley
 

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Reply #19 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:22pm

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MCAntonio aka AN21 wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 3:11pm:
Do the right thing...Go for Opera. I use it and it's soooo easier & practical to use, and its so fast as firefox(maybe faster than FF).
Trust me, you are going to love it(as I did).

Cheers Smiley


I was an Opera user for well over half a decade, but was converted to FF a couple of years ago. Smiley
 
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Charlie wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:22pm:
MCAntonio aka AN21 wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 3:11pm:
Do the right thing...Go for Opera. I use it and it's soooo easier & practical to use, and its so fast as firefox(maybe faster than FF).
Trust me, you are going to love it(as I did).

Cheers Smiley


I was an Opera user for well over half a decade, but was converted to FF a couple of years ago. Smiley


I cant find a logical explanation for that.. Wink
 

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Reply #21 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 6:14pm

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MCAntonio aka AN21 wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:37pm:
Charlie wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:22pm:
MCAntonio aka AN21 wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 3:11pm:
Do the right thing...Go for Opera. I use it and it's soooo easier & practical to use, and its so fast as firefox(maybe faster than FF).
Trust me, you are going to love it(as I did).

Cheers Smiley


I was an Opera user for well over half a decade, but was converted to FF a couple of years ago. Smiley


I cant find a logical explanation for that.. Wink


I could at the time. I think it was just before Opera became completely "free".
 
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Reply #22 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 6:22pm

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Charlie wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 6:14pm:
MCAntonio aka AN21 wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:37pm:
Charlie wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:22pm:
MCAntonio aka AN21 wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 3:11pm:
Do the right thing...Go for Opera. I use it and it's soooo easier & practical to use, and its so fast as firefox(maybe faster than FF).
Trust me, you are going to love it(as I did).

Cheers Smiley


I was an Opera user for well over half a decade, but was converted to FF a couple of years ago. Smiley


I cant find a logical explanation for that.. Wink


I could at the time. I think it was just before Opera became completely "free".

According to Pete, Opera has problems with downloading files from Simviation. http://www.simviation.com/accessprob.htm

I tried Opera some years ago. Couldn't understand what all the fuss was about & returned to IE. I now use Firefox.
 

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Hagar wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 6:22pm:
Charlie wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 6:14pm:
MCAntonio aka AN21 wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:37pm:
Charlie wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:22pm:
MCAntonio aka AN21 wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 3:11pm:
Do the right thing...Go for Opera. I use it and it's soooo easier & practical to use, and its so fast as firefox(maybe faster than FF).
Trust me, you are going to love it(as I did).

Cheers Smiley


I was an Opera user for well over half a decade, but was converted to FF a couple of years ago. Smiley


I cant find a logical explanation for that.. Wink


I could at the time. I think it was just before Opera became completely "free".

According to Pete, Opera has problems with downloading files from Simviation. http://www.simviation.com/accessprob.htm

I tried Opera some years ago. Couldn't understand what all the fuss was about & returned to IE. I now use Firefox.


This is a very big quote..Its true. I cant download files from SimV with opera. If I want to I use Firefox Lips Sealed Lips Sealed...Thats the only problem..But it is so easier to use( I cant imagine my internetic life without Opera)
 

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Hagar wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 6:22pm:
According to Pete, Opera has problems with downloading files from Simviation. http://www.simviation.com/accessprob.htm

I tried Opera some years ago. Couldn't understand what all the fuss was about & returned to IE. I now use Firefox.


We (back when I was a whipper-snapper) started using it in the mid 90s when dial up was the only option. Where we were, and for its main use (downloading FS files!) it was noticably quicker than IE, even when in the free (unregistered) format, with the adverts. When we registered it became quicker still. With the advent of widespread BB it became academic, and spending money on it was futile. Smiley
 
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Reply #25 - Dec 31st, 2007 at 2:08am
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Firefox works great for me with the latest updates Undecided

I've been an IE hater for several years.  I don't have the pop-ups with Firefox, its fast, and a clean look with only the features I want...also seems like when I used to be on IE the computer got loaded with spyware, addware, viruses, etc...don't seem to have hardly any with Firefox Undecided
 
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I jumped onto the firefox bandwagon well before it was popular! I got my hands on the first Alpha and have stuck with it ever since! The is the list of why FF is better than IE:

1. FF had tabs well before IE (where do you think microsoft got the idea?)
2. Mush faster than IE
3. Fully customisable! You can even tweak it to make it go FASTER!
4. Addons! There are literally thousands of addons available for just about anything
5. Far more secure! It doesn't have the security holes of IE. No viruses, no adware, no bots, no pop-ups
6. Pop-up blocker! I can't live without it.
7. A specific addon called AdBlock Pro! It removes any and all adds off the webpages.
8. Spellchecker Tongue Perfect to combat all of the spelling natzis here
9. Continually being developed by a large group of programmers so all security holes, bugs and problems are plugged very quickly.
10. Version 3 is coming very soon!!
 

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ive used most of the major web browsers (IE 6-7, FF,Opera,Safari) and im stil using firefox, its just easy, clean UI, tabs and for some reason i realy like the folders bar, its just quicker than searching through that "favourites" menu.

 
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Hagar wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 4:34am:
OK, I'll accept that but still don't understand how you reverted to version 2.0.0.0 or where Crash would download it.


You may download old versions of certain programs here Wink
 

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Reply #30 - Jan 6th, 2008 at 6:42am

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I just download Firefox 3 Beta 2.... It is great!! It is faster than before, the download manager is improved and it has a great unique feature. You know how you type in an address into the address bar and it drops down with possible matches from site you've visited before? Firefox has improved on that. It not only auto completes URLs but you can also type in PAGE TITLES! and it will auto complete and match it to the URL!! You have to see it in action to fully understand. For example I can type in "Simviation forums" and it will come up with the URL to these forums, saves trying to go through the links or type in that weird URL!! It has already become second nature for me to use it. http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/11/firefox-3-location-bar-just-became-almighty/ this gives a more detailed example.

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Wingo wrote on Jan 6th, 2008 at 6:42am:
I just download Firefox 3 Beta 2.... It is great!! It is faster than before, the download manager is improved and it has a great unique feature. You know how you type in an address into the address bar and it drops down with possible matches from site you've visited before? Firefox has improved on that. It not only auto completes URLs but you can also type in PAGE TITLES! and it will auto complete and match it to the URL!! You have to see it in action to fully understand. For example I can type in "Simviation forums" and it will come up with the URL to these forums, saves trying to go through the links or type in that weird URL!! It has already become second nature for me to use it. http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/11/firefox-3-location-bar-just-became-almighty/ this gives a more detailed example.

Mic - I love that film! It's the best one in my opinion!


Wow!! That really sounds awesome...Any idea when Firefox 3 comes out? Smiley

I too enjoyed that clip...Wheeeeee Cheesy Cheesy
 

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It should be out soon... Usually the second beta is the one before final release. They sometimes go through 2 or 3 release candidates before final release though, but these are only for final bug checks. As far as I can tell they have no specific date.
 

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Wingo wrote on Jan 6th, 2008 at 6:42am:
I just download Firefox 3 Beta 2.... It is great!! It is faster than before, the download manager is improved and it has a great unique feature. You know how you type in an address into the address bar and it drops down with possible matches from site you've visited before? Firefox has improved on that. It not only auto completes URLs but you can also type in PAGE TITLES! and it will auto complete and match it to the URL!! You have to see it in action to fully understand. For example I can type in "Simviation forums" and it will come up with the URL to these forums, saves trying to go through the links or type in that weird URL!! It has already become second nature for me to use it. http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/11/firefox-3-location-bar-just-became-almighty/ this gives a more detailed example.

Firefox 2.0.0.11 already does something similar. Type simviation forums in the address bar & press Enter.

I'll keep to that for now as I prefer my English (British) version. http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/
 

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Reply #34 - Jan 6th, 2008 at 2:28pm

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What that does is a Google Search set on "I'm Feeling Lucky" for what ever you type in the bar, it isn't the same feature.
 

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Pros for it over IE? It has more customisation... you can change the themes and there are lots of toolbars (more useful ones in FF ive seen, than IE)

Other 'gray area' stuff:
Firefox isnt actually any more secure- In an IE6 and Firefox 1 test, IE6 was more secure and I think the trend is still the same
Firefox shouldnt actually perform better- It uses more of your system than IE7 and so weaker systems may stuggle from FF
Firefox is 'faster' than IE- Umm, well, FF just got a pcpitstop download speed of 1312kb/s and IE7 just got 1577kb/s. But in many cases the  'fastness' is equal in both.


I am a firefox user, but it isnt a super browser... Opera is much more secure and soposidly faster than IE or FF
 

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Reply #36 - Jan 6th, 2008 at 5:01pm
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Well, I tried FF for a few days. Man, was it annoying. I believe everyone when they say it's better, it just didn't do it for me. I'm back with my old Maxthon browser. Much easier to use and just as fast.

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Reply #37 - Jan 6th, 2008 at 7:12pm

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machineman9 wrote on Jan 6th, 2008 at 4:22pm:
Pros for it over IE? It has more customisation... you can change the themes and there are lots of toolbars (more useful ones in FF ive seen, than IE)


Sorry, I have to take down a lot of your comments.

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Other 'gray area' stuff:
Firefox isnt actually any more secure- In an IE6 and Firefox 1 test, IE6 was more secure and I think the trend is still the same


Firstly you can't compare current versions of Firefox to Firefox 1! There have been far more improvements and three years of development since then. Firefox is a dynamic, always evolving browser due to its open source nature. IE6 and 7 are stagnant and only get major updates every few years! As a result Firefox is far more secure due to the fact that all security problems are patched quickly.

Next Firefox doesn't support ActiveX, the Achilles Heal of IE6 and 7. This one API is what allows all of the spyware, adware, trojans and othe nasties onto your system.

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Firefox shouldnt actually perform better- It uses more of your system than IE7 and so weaker systems may stuggle from FF


You don't state which version of Firefox you are basing this on, but I will assume a recent one. Nor do you state your source for this statement. I just ran a few test on my own rig and found that with one page open, IE7 and Firefox both used the same amount of resources. As soon as I started opening a few tabs, IE7's resources absolutely ballooned past those of Firefox. Firefox's resources barely grew at all.

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Firefox is 'faster' than IE- Umm, well, FF just got a pcpitstop download speed of 1312kb/s and IE7 just got 1577kb/s. But in many cases the  'fastness' is equal in both.


What is downloading, would you please tell? Is it just a webpage, or is it a large file? Doesn't matter, I can disprove both. For normal browsing Firefox was much faster than IE6, even from a fresh installation. For IE7 I can't comment because I have never used it. I can say though that after some tweaking that anyone can do Firefox is even faster, and I would put my money down on my Firefox being faster than IE7. If you don't wish to tweak, there is an addon called FasterFox which does all of the hard work for you.

For download speed of large files, I've had Firefox up to 2.50 MB/s.... Uh, I think that blast IE7 out of the water, no need to go on.
 

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Reply #38 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 8:48pm
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Clearly the spell checker doesn't have the word "nazi" in its dictionary. Wink Grin
 
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Reply #39 - Jan 11th, 2008 at 3:32pm

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Wingo...

firefoxmyths.com is my only source... though it is critasised for not being top notch, its the only source ive seen which actually has more than just 'oh it just is better'



I was download an image. pcpitstop has an image weighing about 3mb and it records the time from starting the download to the end of the download and gives you a kb/s speed.
 

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tweek - Ah, you have to love the irony!!

machineman9 - That webpage, even though it does state sources, is highly biased and only uses selective sources to quote its information. not to mention it is also very old. For one, it claims the market share for Firefox has been falling. At W3schools they have a table showing the market shares of each browser, as you can see Fx has been growing while the total share of IE has been falling. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Also, I gave that pcpitstop a trial. here are my results.

IE7 - 1039 kilobits per second

Firefox - 2127 kilobits per second

If you want some unbiased opinions on Fx, I would suggest googling for some reviews by Cnet, download.com and other reputable sites.
 

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Reply #41 - Jan 16th, 2008 at 2:08pm

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I have it but its giving more problems than its worth Grin
Cant get it to install Flash player for instance but thats got more to do with Vista i suspect. Tongue Getting fed up with that aswell. Grin
 
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Reply #42 - Jan 17th, 2008 at 5:13am

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well from what I've read in this topics... i agree with all of it Smiley Smiley

And I'm downloading the beta for FF3 Wink
 

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