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Reply #30 - Dec 24^th, 2007 at 10:41am

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Thank you for following up.

And Happy Holidays to you and your family as well.

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Reply #31 - Dec 24^th, 2007 at 12:11pm

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Flight Ace wrote on Dec 24^th, 2007 at 10:08am:

Nick,

Thanks for this information.

Flight Ace,

Here's my Holiday Tip for replying to messages here...

Start your message after the last {/quote} <= square brackets, so your reply isn't buried in the "quote box border." Wink

Merry Christmas, and best wishes for 2008 from my house to your's! Cheesy

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Reply #32 - Dec 24^th, 2007 at 12:16pm

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NickN wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2007 at 1:01pm:

Actually Bill, this does trickle into DX9 as well. The following are seen in DX9

Flashing textures
Black flashing spikes
Crash when accessing the menus
Screen WHITEOUT or Washout
Intermittent poor performance under certain conditions

In SP2 with new shader code

Thank you for your gentle correction, Nick. This is the first I've heard of this affecting anyone other than those attempting to run FSX Acceleration or SP2 in DX10 Preview mode...

That does go a long way towards explaining why Ron Hamilton (my employer) hasn't had such problems with his "late generation" BFG 8800GT 512MB card.

Bill
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Reply #33 - Dec 24^th, 2007 at 4:33pm

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Ahh,
Now I don't know what to do.
It seems with every driver release, I have worse FPS issues with FSX. And thats in FS9.
I have a 8800GTX. I don't have my computer with me though to test out new drivers.

So, I guess once the new cards come out, I should offload and go for that one?
Grr.
I have a 2.6ghz Core2Duo. I always forget the model #.

Bill: I sometimes do get those issues as well. DX10 is almost unplayable because its so "ugly".

I went from consistant 30-40 fps, pushing 20 now. Same settings and all.

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Reply #34 - Dec 24^th, 2007 at 5:34pm

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I have a question for anyone who can answer it.

I recently upgraded for FSX to the system in my signature. It has a ASUS M2N32-SLI motherboard. I am running only one video card at this time. The NVidia 8800 Ultra. I stuck with XP in this new system because of things my friends had told me about Vista and things I had read in PC World Mag. I decided to wait for a while before going to that OS giving MS time to work out any bugs and for hardware manu. to get the drivers out and working. From what I am reading here, I am glad I did that.

I don't seem to be having any trouble with FSX. (with acceleration installed) I was having a problem with it crashing a lot especially when I accessed the menu. I stopped using Fraps and that almost totally went away. It still happens but very seldom now. Shame too because I really like Fraps.

My question is, since I am having so few problems with FSX running XP and DX9, should I update the drivers to the 8800 deluxe? I am afraid after reading this that it will start giving me problems if I do.

AMD Athlon 64X2 dual core 6000+ processor, Nvidia Geforce 8800 Ultra, 3 gig ram.&&

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Reply #35 - Dec 24^th, 2007 at 7:16pm

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theduke wrote on Dec 24^th, 2007 at 5:34pm:

I have a question for anyone who can answer it.

I recently upgraded for FSX to the system in my signature. It has a ASUS M2N32-SLI motherboard. I am running only one video card at this time. The NVidia 8800 Ultra. I stuck with XP in this new system because of things my friends had told me about Vista and things I had read in PC World Mag. I decided to wait for a while before going to that OS giving MS time to work out any bugs and for hardware manu. to get the drivers out and working. From what I am reading here, I am glad I did that.

I don't seem to be having any trouble with FSX. (with acceleration installed) I was having a problem with it crashing a lot especially when I accessed the menu. I stopped using Fraps and that almost totally went away. It still happens but very seldom now. Shame too because I really like Fraps.

My question is, since I am having so few problems with FSX running XP and DX9, should I update the drivers to the 8800 deluxe? I am afraid after reading this that it will start giving me problems if I do.

You want some advice?

If you are not tech savvy and things work, leave it alone. If it anit broke, dont fix it

Otherwise, start here and read everything in the entire thread, including all the supporting links: http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1197380641#1

As for drivers, thats problematical right now. I remain on 169.13 with my Nvidia tower. You can find all the drivers from the past here:

XP 32bit http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?id=10

xp 64bit http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?id=28

Vista x32 and x64 (check the name to confirm the x-bit) http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?id=32

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Reply #36 - Dec 24^th, 2007 at 7:19pm

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I really want to try the new drivers.

Do you think NVIDIA will actually fix all the issues? Or should I prepare myself to sell the GTX and go for the 9000' series. hmm

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Reply #37 - Dec 24^th, 2007 at 7:22pm

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Fr. Bill wrote on Dec 24^th, 2007 at 12:16pm:

NickN wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2007 at 1:01pm:

Actually Bill, this does trickle into DX9 as well. The following are seen in DX9

Flashing textures
Black flashing spikes
Crash when accessing the menus
Screen WHITEOUT or Washout
Intermittent poor performance under certain conditions

In SP2 with new shader code

Thank you for your gentle correction, Nick. This is the first I've heard of this affecting anyone other than those attempting to run FSX Acceleration or SP2 in DX10 Preview mode...

That does go a long way towards explaining why Ron Hamilton (my employer) hasn't had such problems with his "late generation" BFG 8800GT 512MB card.

Yes Bill, that is exactly what is happening. The GT core is of a new silicone run and although they do have some issues with that one since it was based on the original 8000 design, those issues are nothing like the 8800GTS, GTX or Ultra in which the silicone came off the line in the first 3 manufacture runs. Pretty much anything past the GTS, GTX and Ultra is safe from the noted problems, and, driver updates to satisfy that core are also giving the older G80 slugs headaches.

Nvidia is trying to keep themselves above hot water until the original cards die off and are replaced by the new silicone.

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Reply #38 - Dec 24^th, 2007 at 7:24pm

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nabeel wrote on Dec 24^th, 2007 at 7:19pm:

I really want to try the new drivers.

Do you think NVIDIA will actually fix all the issues? Or should I prepare myself to sell the GTX and go for the 9000' series. hmm

From what you have described it sounds to me like you need to do the same thing I posted for theduke... start fresh, uninstall it all and read the FAQ thread. Folow the directions given in that thread and supporting links from it

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Reply #39 - Dec 24^th, 2007 at 7:28pm

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NickN wrote on Dec 24^th, 2007 at 7:24pm:

nabeel wrote on Dec 24^th, 2007 at 7:19pm:

I really want to try the new drivers.

Do you think NVIDIA will actually fix all the issues? Or should I prepare myself to sell the GTX and go for the 9000' series. hmm

From what you have described it sounds to me like you need to do the same thing I posted for theduke... start fresh, uninstall it all and read the FAQ thread. Folow the directions given in that thread and supporting links from it

Yeah, although I have Vista, I need to do a full defrag, etc.
I have FSX on a separate drive from my OS. But I'm getting alot of the issues described as well, with texture flickering, etc.

And from what you said above, if I'm reading this right... it's a manufacturing problem? Or a design issue?

Also, you said it's a different procedure for O&O 10?

Thanks, I really appreciate it.

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Reply #40 - Dec 24^th, 2007 at 8:07pm

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The updated instructions for using O&O 10 are in the FAQ. Use the same list I laid out for O&O use in the other thread which I point to in that FAQ but do not run any SPACE defrag after the first 2 passes.

If you are running Vista you can not use the list I posted for Windows tweaking although some of those items are still valid I have not as of yet produced any Vista tweak list. Since I just recently was required to install FSX into Vista x64 in order to test a new DX 10 card I have not even bothered with Vista. I use XP x64 as the OS for regular flying of FSX.

If you are referring to the list I posted, all those items are driver/card related which is directly related to the design of the original G80 silicone. I do not know if Nvidia will ever get those issues fixed or if they are just burning time till the cards on the market get recycled. If you try to post anything related to those problems being Nvidia based in their forums, the thread will magically disappear, however be assured they are not FSX issues. As for which driver is best for your system, that is something you need to find out. I have remained at 169.13 for now.

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Reply #41 - Dec 24^th, 2007 at 8:15pm

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NickN wrote on Dec 24^th, 2007 at 8:07pm:

The updated instructions for using O&O 10 are in the FAQ. Use the same list I laid out for O&O use in the other thread which I point to in that FAQ but do not run any SPACE defrag after the first 2 passes.

If you are running Vista you can not use the list I posted for Windows tweaking although some of those items are still valid I have not as of yet produced any Vista tweak list. Since I just recently was forced to install FSX into Vista x64 in order to test a new DX 10 card but use XP x64 as the OS for regular flying FSX.

If you are referring to the list I posted, all those items are driver/card related. They are not FSX issues. As for which driver is best for your system, that is something you need to find out. I have remained at 169.13 for now.

Oh ok, where can we download the older drivers? Yes those issues I meant are the driver-related ones? What would you recommend, holding on the 8800, or ditching it once the next generation is available?
I wish there was some way of making them liable for the crap cards. I spent close to 500$ on the GTX, it's not right that it's half cooked.

I've managed to do some tweaking with Vista on some background services. It's running great for me personally. Haven't had any problems. I just shut off things like indexing, readyboost, and a couple of others I know aren't needed.

Is the FAQ thread the one with the long list?
This thread: http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1197380641
And this one too: http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1163028653/0#5

I'm scouring through, just seeing if I missed any other ones.

And one last question...
No more space defragmentation after the first two, so
2 space defrags
then the complete/name

For subsequent defragmentations, later on down the line, it's the same procedure? 2+1?

The page file "reset" still works under Vista. I don't trust any registry cleaners as of yet on it.
How's Diskeeper for defragmenting? I can get that at a huge student discount, haven't looked into O&O yet, I'm just using the trial for now. It "feels" more comprehensive though.

Happy holidays!

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Reply #42 - Dec 24^th, 2007 at 8:29pm

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nabeel wrote on Dec 24^th, 2007 at 8:15pm:

NickN wrote on Dec 24^th, 2007 at 8:07pm:

The updated instructions for using O&O 10 are in the FAQ. Use the same list I laid out for O&O use in the other thread which I point to in that FAQ but do not run any SPACE defrag after the first 2 passes.

If you are running Vista you can not use the list I posted for Windows tweaking although some of those items are still valid I have not as of yet produced any Vista tweak list. Since I just recently was forced to install FSX into Vista x64 in order to test a new DX 10 card but use XP x64 as the OS for regular flying FSX.

If you are referring to the list I posted, all those items are driver/card related. They are not FSX issues. As for which driver is best for your system, that is something you need to find out. I have remained at 169.13 for now.

Oh ok, where can we download the older drivers? Yes those issues I meant are the driver-related ones? What would you recommend, holding on the 8800, or ditching it once the next generation is available?
I wish there was some way of making them liable for the crap cards. I spent close to 500$ on the GTX, it's not right that it's half cooked.

I've managed to do some tweaking with Vista on some background services. It's running great for me personally. Haven't had any problems. I just shut off things like indexing, readyboost, and a couple of others I know aren't needed.

Is the FAQ thread the one with the long list?
This thread: http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1197380641
And this one too: http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1163028653/0#5

I'm scouring through, just seeing if I missed any other ones.

And one last question...
No more space defragmentation after the first two, so
2 space defrags
then the complete/name

For subsequent defragmentations, later on down the line, it's the same procedure? 2+1?

The page file "reset" still works under Vista. I don't trust any registry cleaners as of yet on it.
How's Diskeeper for defragmenting? I can get that at a huge student discount, haven't looked into O&O yet, I'm just using the trial for now. It "feels" more comprehensive though.

Happy holidays!

I am not advising you to ditch anything, that is your choice when the time may come

those links are correct. Makes sure you read it all the way through

Forget the reg cleaner and run 2 SPACE defrags with reboot in between, the offline defrag and then 3 back to back COMPLETE\NAME defrags rebooting between each run

All older drivers both official abd beta can be found here for Vista... http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?id=32

Use this to change drivers and set up Nhancer http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1163028653/165#171

Installing FSX with acceleration or SP2 clean as I posted in the FAQ is a good idea.

Diskeeper is not O&O and will not work the same

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Reply #43 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 7:06am

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I think we all owe a very special THANK YOU to Nick and the others who have researched this so diligently. They obviously have worked long and hard to get to this point. I am not computer savvy and would have probably thrown FSX in the trash by now if not for them.

THANK YOU......

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Reply #44 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:31pm

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I SECOND THAT

IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR NICK ESPECIALLY, BUT ALSO A NUMBER OF OTHER EXPERTS AND SMART TESTERS I WOULD HAVE GONE BACK TO 9.

BUT MORE THAN THE TWEAKING AND YES, FREQUENT, FREAKING I NOW KNOW MORE ABOUT MY COMPUTER AND THE GAME THAN I EVER DID.

I have shouted this, because it is important to say,

Simv is the most useful site on the web for FSX and it is due to a group of outstanding contributors led by Nick.

You all have the thanks of a grateful community.

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