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I need some lessons! (Read 138 times)
Dec 13
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, 2007 at 4:51am
Layne.
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Well hey fellas!
I know how to fly a plane and all but i would like to start getting more familiar with the planes.
I don't know how to work Trimming
I do not know how to use the FMC's
I do not know how to use all the Over Head Switches and their operations
I do not know some other things
I would really like to learn all this in a Boeing 747, Boeing 737 and Airbus A320.
If anyone could post pictures (or screenshots
) with overhead panels etc... with arrows pointing to each switch with what it does that would be much appreciated!
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Dec 13
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http://www.simviation.com/fshelp.htm
Look under FS2004
There are two types of aeroplane, Spitfires and everything else that wishes it was a Spitfire!
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Dec 13
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Learning how to operate, and fly an aircraft.
I trust you have spent many, many hours in the Cessna 152/172 Trainer with your Flight Sim Instructor...
Only then, when you have passed with flying colours, and obtained you Pilots Licence, will you be allowed to progress on to more complex aircraft, stage by stage from simple, General Aviation, single engine Piston props, to Piston prop Twins, and Turbine engined aircraft, (with, and without variable speed/constant speed props), Float aircraft, etc....
Only then will you be allowed in control of a Commercial, Passenger Jet aircraft...
You have a LONG way, in the future, to go yet....
...trust me...
You start at the very bottom, and work your way up!
...
...!
Paul...10+ years in a GA Cessna 152/172, + Beech Baron Twin, learning, and knowing all the ropes...
...!
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Dec 13
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I don't know how to work Trimming
As Paul says, you need a Cessna, not a Boeing. Does FS2004/FSX have a lesson on trimming? Probably worth a look - a lot easier than trying to describe it, as it's rather a practical skill.
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Dec 13
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Charlie wrote
on Dec 13
th
, 2007 at 6:06am:
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I don't know how to work Trimming
As Paul says, you need a Cessna, not a Boeing. Does FS2004/FSX have a lesson on trimming? Probably worth a look - a lot easier than trying to describe it, as it's rather a practical skill.
Hello Charlie...
...!
For the Sim V Simmers:
The Flight Sim has some quite good flying lessons incorporated in it, (which many/most newcomers ignore, unfortunately!).
They are always worth trying out, (even with some of their flaws!), but there is no alternative to spending many, many hours practicing your flying skills in the Default Cessna 172, (or better still, a good version of one of the 3rd. Party Cessna 150/152 Trainers!).
You will learn all the important skills in controlling and operating the Aircraft safely, as well as operating the Radios, eg; navigating, and contacting Air Traffic Control, etc...
It's lots of fun, as well as turning you into a good, safe Pilot...
...!
It takes a lot of time, concentration, and enthusiasm!
Paul...G-BPLF...
...!
...and DONT go flying in "bad" weather!...
...!
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Dec 13
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, 2007 at 7:00am
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Ummmmm... I've got 6 pages in 2 threads working here... Be patient.. we're getting to the advanced stuff soooooon
OK.. I know it's been a few days since my last post... but we're about to start Part 3. I think I've been laying a pretty sound foundation here.. and it will only get better, as more participate
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Dec 13
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My personal hard-line on novices flying "heavy iron" in MSFS has softened a bit; don't really care if someone wants to go that route, but here's some advice for Layne:
If you spend just a little more time learning the basics in something simpler and slower you will have a much easier time getting familiar with something like a 737. If you are impatient, you will actually be
more
frustrated and probably take more time to get proficient if you skip over a proper study of basic systems and procedures in a simpler, slower airplane.
Between, say, the 172 and the big jets there are light and medium twins that have many of the same bells and whistles and similar performance characteristics, particularly turbine-powered twins like the King Air. If I were you, I would at least start there... remember: in real life,
nobody
does their primary training in an airliner. Nobody. You say you "know how to fly an airplane" but if you don't know how to work the trim (as one example), you have much to learn, yet.
And although Fozzer's reasoning is sound, I recommend Brett's lessons over the FS lessons- the FS9 AI makes for a very bizarre learning experience. If you're going to brave the FS lessons, I advise you to note the instructions given then practice on your own... when I tried the FS9 PP lessons, I was ready to smack "Virtual Rod Machado" every time I was demonstrating something with him aboard... he's completely bonkers.
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Dec 13
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beaky wrote
on Dec 13
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, 2007 at 11:18am:
I was ready to smack "Virtual Rod Machado" every time I was demonstrating something with him aboard... he's completely bonkers.
I think I tried one of his lessons,
once
, in the first variation of FS to include his dulcet tones.
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Dec 13
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, 2007 at 3:08pm
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Quote:
Well hey fellas!
I know how to fly a plane and all but i would like to start getting more familiar with the planes.
I don't know how to work Trimming
I do not know how to use the FMC's
I do not know how to use all the Over Head Switches and their operations
I do not know some other things
I would really like to learn all this in a Boeing 747, Boeing 737 and Airbus A320.
If anyone could post pictures (or screenshots
) with overhead panels etc... with arrows pointing to each switch with what it does that would be much appreciated!
I am assuming this is a sim related question when we take into account your age. Bearing in mind that 99% of the overhead panel switches do not work or have limited function, what do you actually want to now. I could bore you to death for hours on what the standby power switch does in a 737-800 or the bus tie contactor relay switch does in an A320 and they are just two switches from 200.
If it is real life you want to know about, then that is also no problem, but you need to be a little more specific. I have enough training material on the 737-800 and A320 to cause mental breakdown.
Matt
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Dec 13
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, 2007 at 4:44pm
Layne.
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Thank you for all your help guys!
I am currently doing the Ron Machado lessons
He is actually being nice to me
I want to get a very detailed Beech Baron or King Air and a fully detailed A320 and 747.
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Dec 13
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Thank you for all your help guys!
I am currently doing the Ron Machado lessons
He is actually being nice to me
I want to get a very detailed Beech Baron or King Air and a fully detailed A320 and 747.
Dreemfleet for a Beechcraft Baron:
http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/Previews/B58/purchase_rxp.html
For an A320, wait for the AirSimmer one...It'll be the most detailed A320 ever...If you're willing to wait for 3-4 years, PMDG is developing one...
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Dec 13
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Thank you for all your help guys!
I am currently doing the Ron Machado lessons
He is actually being nice to me
I want to get a very detailed Beech Baron or King Air and a fully detailed A320 and 747.
That's good, but while I still say "to each his own", heed my advice and sweat the basics first, then the details. You'll probably be glad you did. Learning to do it properly is very satisfying, IMHO... beyond mere fun, if you know what I mean. And once you master the fundamentals, moving on to more complicated planes and flights is much easier.
Also be sure to try some of those PP exercises without Mr. M. aboard... for example, devote a good chunk of time to just getting the hang of trimming the plane while holding a heading and altitude.
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Dec 13
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Actually i did the first lesson and i am already starting to love the trim system!
I used to think it was a peice of worthless weight for the airplane but now knowing how to use it i am in love with how much easier it makes life
I only want detailed models so i feel the real deal
I am using default models and POSKY models now as simple aircraft i use for training but i will soon devote my time to the detailed aircraft.
How will i do the PP training on my own???
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Actually i did the first lesson and i am already starting to love the trim system!
I used to think it was a peice of worthless weight for the airplane but now knowing how to use it i am in love with how much easier it makes life
I only want detailed models so i feel the real deal
I am using default models and POSKY models now as simple aircraft i use for training but i will soon devote my time to the detailed aircraft.
How will i do the PP training on my own???
Demonstrate to yourself that you are capable of taxiing, taking off, recovering from a takeoff stall, climbing to altitude, can turn, both at standard and steep angles (20 and 45* for my tastes), can recover successfully from a stall (with a max altitude loss of 500 feet), fly to an airport via VOR, then fly a successful traffic pattern and land, both touch-and-go and full stop landing to demonstrate you can go around.
Remain within 100ft of your assigned altitude, 5 degrees of your required heading, and 5 knots within your desired airspeed.
And that is just the flying, I haven't even gotten started on what needs to happen on the ground.
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How will i do the PP training on my own???
First, go ahead and fly with the crazy AI instructor, but be prepared to practice what he shows you on your own after you get the gist of the lesson. And please feel free to descend on base- for some reason he says not to, which is a new one on me. Just be sure to plan it so you can turn to final no lower than 500 AGL.
Second, read Brett's excellent posts on this topic- they are basically lesson outlines. I believe there is also a plan for dual lessons in MP... ?
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