Search the archive:
Simviation Main Site
|
Site Search
|
Upload Images
Simviation Forum
›
Real World
›
Autos
› Guilty, but walks
(Moderators: Mitch., Fly2e, ozzy72, beaky, Clipper, JBaymore, Bob70, BigTruck)
‹
Previous Topic
|
Next Topic
›
Pages: 1
Guilty, but walks (Read 388 times)
Dec 6
th
, 2007 at 2:07pm
expat
Offline
Colonel
Deep behind enemy lines!
Gender:
Posts: 8499
Guilty, but no punishment.
I am sure Craig will tell us all why Renault should not be punished and McLaren should
Matt
PS Craig, just a tickle in the ribs
PETA
People Eating Tasty Animals.
B1 Boeing 737-800 and Dash8 Q-400
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #1 -
Dec 6
th
, 2007 at 4:26pm
Craig.
Offline
Colonel
Birmingham
Gender:
Posts: 18590
I shouldn't have to tell you matt. It's all a conspiracy
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #2 -
Dec 6
th
, 2007 at 5:32pm
C
Offline
Colonel
Earth
Posts: 13144
There's no room in Bernie, Flavio and Max's bed...
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #3 -
Dec 6
th
, 2007 at 5:56pm
CharlottesDad
Ex Member
Nothing surprises me in F1 anymore.
Back to top
IP Logged
Reply #4 -
Dec 7
th
, 2007 at 7:36am
Craig.
Offline
Colonel
Birmingham
Gender:
Posts: 18590
Quote:
The FIA's decision not to punish Renault for a breach of the regulations in their spy matter was down to the fact that it revolved around just four drawings of parts from a year-old car that the team gained no benefit from.
That is the conclusion that emerged on Friday in a statement detailing why the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) had not punished Renault despite them being found guilty of possession of McLaren technical information.
The FIA statement revealed that evidence discovered during detailed examination of the situation surrounding documents taken from McLaren by Renault engineer Phil Mackereth showed that only a few items had been shown within the former world championship-winning team.
Although the amount of information Mackereth took when he left McLaren in September 2006 was deemed to have been 'significant' by the FIA, it was discovered that a vast majority of this had not been shown to anyone else inside Renault.
It was concluded that he had shown only four drawing to other Renault employees - which were of the fuel systems, gearbox layout and damper designs.
The FIA ruled, however, that the team had gained absolutely no benefit from this matter - even though a drawing of McLaren's J-damper had formed the basis of an attempted rule clarification by Renault.
The statement said: "The WMSC has concluded that of the four drawings actually viewed by Renault's engineers, three were either of no use to Renault or were not in fact used by Renault. The fourth drawing (a drawing of McLaren's so-called 'J-damper') was used by Renault in that Renault admits taking it into account in preparing a request to the FIA for a clarification of whether a particular hypothetical system was within the rules (rather than for the purposes of copying it).
"The fact that Renault fundamentally misunderstood the operation of the system suggests that the 'J-damper' drawing did not reveal to Renault enough about the system for the championship to have been affected."
In light of the way in which McLaren were eventually fined $100 million (USD) and thrown out of the constructors' championship, the WMSC claim that the two cases are very different.
"The McLaren confidential information brought to Renault was in the context of an F1 engineer changing teams," said the statement. "It was not 'live' information in the sense that there is no evidence of a flow of current information between competing teams.
"After leaving McLaren, Mackereth had no further access to current or updated McLaren information. Nor is there any evidence that Renault encouraged Mackereth in any way to bring the confidential information from McLaren."
The FIA did note, however, that the Mackereth situation should have been resolved sooner by Renault when it became clear that he had illegal McLaren intellectual property in his possession.
"The WMSC notes with strong disapproval the fact that there were individuals of sufficient seniority within Renault who should have known that the drawings that Mackereth showed them contained proprietary confidential information.
"This organisational failing meant that they did not report the matter to their line managers as they should have done. Had they done so, the matter may have been brought to the FIA's attention at a far earlier stage."
It added: "In these circumstances, although a number of very unsatisfactory elements were noted during the deliberations, in assessing the gravity of the breach, the WMSC concluded that there was insufficient evidence to establish that the information was used in such a way as to interfere with or to have an impact on the Championship."
The WMSC has reserved the right, however, to reopen the case if fresh evidence comes to light that suggest the team did gain a benefit from the information.
"It should be noted that in the event of new information coming to light which calls into question the WMSC's conclusions in this decision, this matter may be re-opened by the FIA," the statement said.
There is the official verdict. Looks to me like they just took the last one and replaceds Mclaren with Renault, and Ferrari with Mclaren. Oh, and added the paragraph about how its completely differant situations.
Back to top
IP Logged
Pages: 1
‹
Previous Topic
|
Next Topic
›
« Home
‹ Board
Top of this page
Forum Jump »
Home
» 10 most recent Posts
» 10 most recent Topics
Current Flight Simulator Series
- Flight Simulator X
- FS 2004 - A Century of Flight
- Adding Aircraft Traffic (AI) & Gates
- Flight School
- Flightgear
- MS Flight
Graphic Gallery
- Simviation Screenshots Showcase
- Screenshot Contest
- Edited Screenshots
- Photos & Cameras
- Payware Screenshot Showcase
- Studio V Screenshot Workshop
- Video
- The Cage
Design Forums
- Aircraft & 3D Design
- Scenery & Panel Design
- Aircraft Repainting
- Designer Feedback
General
- General Discussion
- Humour
- Music, Arts & Entertainment
- Sport
Computer Hardware & Software Forum
- Hardware
- Tweaking & Overclocking
- Computer Games & Software
- HomeBuild Cockpits
Addons Most Wanted
- Aircraft Wanted
- Other Add-ons Wanted
Real World
- Real Aviation
- Specific Aircraft Types
- Autos ««
- History
On-line Interactive Flying
- Virtual Airlines Events & Messages
- Multiplayer
Simviation Site
- Simviation News & Info
- Suggestions for these forums
- Site Questions & Feedback
- Site Problems & Broken Links
Combat Flight Simulators
- Combat Flight Simulator 3
- Combat Flight Simulator 2
- Combat Flight Simulator
- CFS Development
- IL-2 Sturmovik
Other Websites
- Your Site
- Other Sites
Payware
- Payware
Old Flight Simulator Series
- FS 2002
- FS 2000
- Flight Simulator 98
Simviation Forum
» Powered by
YaBB 2.5 AE
!
YaBB Forum Software
© 2000-2010. All Rights Reserved.