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Nov 18th, 2007 at 3:04pm

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As reccomended by John, and with required keyboard being supplied for free as its old... I am going to be trying to make something similar to what has been done here and here


im just wondering, is there a free picture pack for something similar to those buttons shown there? in particular i am looking for modern fighter/modern civilian jets (like boeing 777s or something)


or, in general, anything that comes as a sticker that i could apply to my keys. any designs welcome (either yours, or someone elses, just to make the thing look cool)

oh, and knowing how to program it would be great too... is it just PnP and then change it in the sim? (i will be using 2 keyboards as talking via chat on multiplayer is always nice)

cheers muchly.



my first sim-pit creations are underway-


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Alright, thanks to a late delivery I am able to start work on the keyboard... Stay Tuned!
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Reply #1 - Nov 18th, 2007 at 7:14pm

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Your best bet would be to get a good graphic program like Gimp(freeware) and develop your own graphics. Get some inexpensive inkjet decal paper and an exacto knife and have fun Cheesy

I like the idea of different shapes to distinguish between different controls. Smiley
And yes you can change the assignments in flight sim, but there may need to be an external program to send different "keystrokes" from different keyboards.
 

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Reply #2 - Nov 19th, 2007 at 12:38pm

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yeh, i was just wondering if there is any site where i can see what the buttons might look like- so that it doesnt look out of place

and ive got GIMP and Paint.net if i need them  Smiley



can i ask what you think of the 'beta' layout?

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i wasnt really sure what to put, but its mostly the things that i use most often (and importantly, the autopilot controls as whenever i lean over with my mouse, i always loose horrific control of my aircraft- so having it right there in front of me will be nicer)


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Reply #3 - Nov 19th, 2007 at 9:57pm

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Looks pretty good, free in the respect you can market them on ebay for the cost of the paper and your time then later after you reach your goal you can stop making them. Wink
 

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Reply #4 - Nov 20th, 2007 at 11:19am

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you think i should sell the rubbish i make?  Shocked

i would be suprised if someone bought the sort of tacky stuff i make  Grin
 

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Reply #5 - Nov 20th, 2007 at 3:06pm

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alright, heres a test for the font. i found an image (i think from a 747) of the type of text used on the buttons that are more like keyboard keys... and so i made this:


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a very small cutout, but a general idea for colour and perhaps font



just waiting on a keyboard lol- and then ill be able to template the above key general titles (autopilot, heading controls, lights etc) and no doubt ill cut out a few of the keys and give some extra room in places, but it will work out hopefully


oh yes... that reminds me. the keyboard has 3 LEDs on it... just wondering what things i could utalise this them... i cant exactly extract the game data (though, would be sweet for landing lights) but maybe have them up to the landing lights as the keyboard is already connected to those bits?
 

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Reply #6 - Nov 20th, 2007 at 8:08pm

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Cool! Just a thought paint the bezel to the keyboard boeing brown or airbus grey for that cockpit control effect Wink


 

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Reply #7 - Nov 21st, 2007 at 11:28am

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JSpahn wrote on Nov 20th, 2007 at 8:08pm:
Cool! Just a thought paint the bezel to the keyboard boeing brown or airbus grey for that cockpit control effect Wink



ooh, that would be fun! i think i would go with the grey, as im not so much a fan of the brown (and like grey/steel type colours hehe)
 

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Reply #8 - Nov 22nd, 2007 at 8:44am

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Thread title changed, per request of originator.
 

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Reply #9 - Nov 22nd, 2007 at 11:07am
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I will be following this thread. I like the idea a lot and I am thinking of buying a cheap second hand keyboard to do the same. Just waiting to see how things work out.

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Reply #10 - Nov 22nd, 2007 at 11:17am

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thanks john, thanks crash..

the keyboard should be here next week (friend is getting a gaming keyboard, im getting the old one) so ill revive it then... but if anyone else has any questions, suggestions or anything then please say so.
 

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Reply #11 - Nov 22nd, 2007 at 1:12pm
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I've been thinking (something I don't do often). How will you separate the two keyboards? I mean, how will FS know what your 'cockpit' keyboard is and what your 'chat' keyboard is? Any ideas on that?

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Reply #12 - Nov 22nd, 2007 at 6:02pm

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I've been thinking (something I don't do often). How will you separate the two keyboards? I mean, how will FS know what your 'cockpit' keyboard is and what your 'chat' keyboard is? Any ideas on that?

Crash Wink


well, actually shouldnt it just work by default? the cockpit keyboard will be programmed differently for the ingame controls... but the keys are actually the same... so a L is just doing a different function... so adding the normal keyboard shouldnt be an issue... it still gets the same keypresses but interpretes them differently
 

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Reply #13 - Nov 23rd, 2007 at 2:12pm

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I will be following this thread. I like the idea a lot and I am thinking of buying a cheap second hand keyboard to do the same. Just waiting to see how things work out.

Crash Wink


Yeah.. no kidding... I'll be following it as well!  Wink
 

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Reply #14 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 2:02pm
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Ok, to bring this thread back to life, so to speak. Yesterday I bought myself a brandspanking new (not, it's at least 10 years old) Compaq keyboard for the enormous amount of.......... 2 Euro and 50 cents. I still had some printable stickers so I started something. It's just a test, I'm not to pleased with it yet. But it's a start...

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I encountered some small problems. Most of the things work just fine except for some of the autopilot commands. IAS resets the autothrottle to the speed you're flying at that moment, ALT resets the altimetersetting to the height you're at and HDG resets your heading to the heading you are flying at that moment. Haven't figured out how to solve this yet.

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Reply #15 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 2:59pm

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..it's a funny old do...

...but just thinking about it...

On most/all of my usual General Aviation, Piston Props, I rarely use my keyboard for controlling the Aircraft, except for:

F9: FS Navigator display on/off.
Y: Slew.
Numpad 7 and 1: Trim up/down. (could be performed on the Joystick if required).
G: Gear Up/Down. (could be performed on the Joystick if required).
Ctrl + E: For engines without a starter.

That's about it!

My Saitek Cyborg Evo Joystick carries out:
Throttle.
Aelerons/Elevators
Twist Rudder.

...and the buttons...

Brakes.
Flaps Up/Down.
Bendix-King Radio Display On /Off.
Cycle Views: (W and S).
Hat switch Pan around.


All the rest of the controls are operated on the Main 2D (/3D) Panel with the Mouse.

That leaves the Keyboard free for chattin' in Multiplayer...
(Just got to remember to place the Cursor in the Chat Box BEFORE typing!)...LOL... Grin...!

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Reply #16 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 3:13pm

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my saitek cyborg evo covers the basic flight controls... and landing gear, brakes (parking or tap on brakes)... flaps, lights, drop tanks and engines off/on

oh, and hat switch... and change views


but yeh, i just hate having to think of all the keypresses, so it would be nice to get a visual representation
 

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Reply #17 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 3:15pm
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Same here, Paul. I rarely touch my keyboard (except for ATC commands). My Saitek X-52 has enough buttons and switches to do the rest together with the mouse. It was just that I thought it was a nice idea to see if it was possible to make something of an old keyboard. Haven't finished modding it though. Need to remove the buttons I don't use, fill up the space left, make something to put it somewhere, maybe give it a grey/metallic paintjob. So many things you can do.......

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Reply #18 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 3:39pm

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well tomorow im going all the way down to Plymouth to see my grandad and cousin... should be buying an old keyboard... and also a DVI to VGA so i can get 2 monitors working

should be fun.
 

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Reply #19 - Dec 10th, 2007 at 10:54pm

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Any update to this keyboard mod thread? Smiley
 

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Reply #20 - Dec 11th, 2007 at 11:28am

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im still awaiting the keyboard im afraid... maybe friends arent the most reliable source  Cry  (he turned it into a dvorak keyboad and there isnt much chance of me seeing it again)

shall see if i can find a cheapy one in a shop tomorow after school
 

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Reply #21 - Dec 22nd, 2007 at 4:11pm

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Alright, looks like a really nice guy named Jeff L has given me an amazon voucher for £25... I shall be ordering my cheapy keyboard tomorow after I get the final £5 (buying new gaming headphones/mic combo aswell. Should be quite fun for speaking to the controller on FSX  Smiley )

So yeh, sorry for the long wait, but this project will be starting next weekend probably... I shall take some images and release any details/media I used.
 

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Reply #22 - Jan 4th, 2008 at 12:00pm

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I am sure quite a bit of faith has been lost, but I have recieved the keyboard (cost me £8 just to rip it up hehe) and I am waiting for my dad to get home so that I can have some assistance with the silver spraypainting.


Has anyone any other suggestions before I start? I hear the start and return keys are a bit of a pain to remove and put back on... I am also checking if I should just take off the keys or take the frame off the chip board when I paint it. On the top there are multimedia controls which are silver too... So it should look quite good when complete.
 

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Reply #23 - Jan 5th, 2008 at 9:08am

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No faith lost here... but I have been keeping my eye on this post since last year to see if there had been any updates!! Grin

Are you going to have to remove keys just to make this work?  I thought the only modifying was gluing  printed cardstock and then remapping your key configurations?


*Patiently waiting on updates...* Wink
 

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Reply #24 - Jan 5th, 2008 at 10:32am

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You make it sound like this project has been taking ages to complete  Grin (like 2 or 3 months actually... damn)

The other 'modifications' are they I am spraypainting the non-keys bit of the keyboard a sort of shiney grey/silver. Where the keys arent being used I will probably fill the gaps with cardboard to make it look like more of a panel.
 

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Reply #25 - Jan 5th, 2008 at 2:49pm

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Keyboard is currently being painted... Shall update with images soon

(Damn its annoying removing over 100 buttons and their poppers in the keyboard)


Keyboard buttons and labels are currently drying from the glue. This Araldite hardener and resin are sticky as anything  Grin My dad suggested using a 1:1 mixture so hopefully it will dry properly. The space bar was a bit tricker because the paper (all laminated buttons) is longer and more liable to bend.. and also the space bar isnt as concave as the other keys and the contacting surface area is lower, so it will be a bit harder to glue down



Pictures will be coming up at about 12 noon tomorow GMT.
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Reply #26 - Jan 6th, 2008 at 12:23am

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machineman9 wrote on Jan 5th, 2008 at 10:32am:
You make it sound like this project has been taking ages to complete  Grin (like 2 or 3 months actually... damn)


Hehe... twas just trying to throw in a New Year's joke...  Wink


Still waiting tho...
 

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Reply #27 - Jan 6th, 2008 at 7:54am

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Updates shall be coming soon... but I have run into quite a snag...

One of the keys I am using is the Sleep key... and as I just found, it will act as a system function over a keyboard command.

Does anyone have any ideas how to turn the system commands (Start, print screen, sleep etc) into regular buttons like A,B,C,D etc


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Reply #28 - Jan 6th, 2008 at 5:18pm

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Here are the images... the lighting wasnt the best, but I am sure it is enough to get the general idea.

There is a fine line between awful and terrible... I think this came out awfully... but just because it is that awful I really like it  Grin. I still need to get it to work in the sim, the problems are listed above.

Thumbnails are linked to imageshack because compression looked really bad on these shots.

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The keyboard on my desktop before getting modified


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The keyboard on my desktop before getting modified (second view)


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The keyboard half way through spraypainting it. Took about half an hour to get all the keys off and the keyboard open (I took only the top half off, the bottom half is still black)


*Insert missing image of where I show you the keys drying with the araldite adheisive*


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The keyboard with the required keys put back on. If I need to I can use some tweezers to put the rubber bouncer into the keyboard through the holes to add more keys.


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Just a picture of the final piece.



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Just a larger view of the above image (1024, not 800). The keyboard is sitting happily amongst the rest of my hardware family... A saitek cyborg evo, Wacom Volito 2 tablet, router, keyboard, mouse, router etc... and my 19" widescreen monitor




I hope youve enjoyed these past months more than I have  Wink


Cheers for the patience.
 

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