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FSX running at near max with curreny HW (Read 575 times)
Oct 22nd, 2007 at 11:08pm

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There have been some past inquirees as to what a good configuration would be for running FSX. I would like to address this subject as I just completed a new build for running FSX. My new Tech Spec is as follows.

Gigabyte Aluminum Full Tower ATX Case  
EVGA nForce 680i SLI NVIDIA 775 ATX Motherboard
PSU OCZ 700 Watt Power Supply
E6850 3Ghz Dual Core CPU
V1 CPU Cooler
4 GB CORSAIR RAM
EVGA GeForce 8800 GTX Graphics Card
Two 250 Watt SATA Hard Drive
Audigy Sound Card with Game Port
22 inch SAMSUNG LCD Monitor
DVD RW CDROM Drive
Floppy Drive
Microsoft Keyboard and Mouse
Microsoft  Windows XP Home Addition

With the above configuration I am running FSX with the following settings.

Resolution                              1680X1050X32
Target Frame Rate                        Unlimited            
Global Texture Resolution                  Max
Lens Flare and Advanced Animations                      On
Light Bloom                                  Off—On in some areas
Filtering                              Trilinear
3D Virtual Cockpit                        On
Cockpit Settings                        All Checked
Global Settings                        Ultra High
Exterior Settings                        All Checked
Level of Detail Radius Large                  Max
Mesh Complexity                        Max
Mesh Resolution                        Max
Texture Resolution                        Max
Water Effects                        High
Scenery Complexity                        Max
Autogen Density                        Max
Special effects Detail                        Max
Cloud Coverage Density                  Max
Air Line Traffic                        61 Percent
Gen Avn Traffic                        55 Percent
Airport Vehicle Density                  Medium
Road Veh 51%, Ships and Ferries 40%. Leisure Boats 40%

Being an ex military pilot, I enjoy flying on the deck and through highly populated areas in and around airfields – type flying not possible in the real world. Seattle, New York, Los Angeles, Rio (with Light Bloom on), Toronto with their colorful graphics (Especially at night) are some of my favorites. During these flights there are aircraft parked and taking off from airfields, aircraft in the air and landing, vehicles moving about the airfields, heavy traffic on the roads, boats moving about on the water, birds flying and all the while I enjoy 20 to 40 FPS with an occasional dip in the teens. In fact I don’t have a need to keep the frame counter on.

The point of all this is that there are PCs, when properly configured, that can run XPS with sliders at their max. For all practical purposes I am already there. My next upgrade to this new configuration of mine is to add Vista OS taking advantage of DX10 when the bugs are shaken out and adding a second GeForce 8800 GTX graphics card. And my Motherboard can accept a Quad Core when there is one that in my opinion will improve performance over the dual core I am currently using. As a matter of interest with rebates, my new system was under 2K.

Hope this information proves useful.








 

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Reply #1 - Oct 22nd, 2007 at 11:11pm

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While the sliders may be at max, the sim is only running at 40-50% of what it is capable of, maybe less. Nick will be able to explain it better than me.

Read here:
http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1190754444
 

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Reply #2 - Oct 23rd, 2007 at 7:31am

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sounds like a sweet set-up.... mind if i ask about how much it cost to build it? Cool
 

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Reply #3 - Oct 23rd, 2007 at 9:31am

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Firemonte007, the cost of my build was approximately $1,900 with rebates. It does not include an OS as I uses Windows XP from my old system.
 

1.   Chaser MK-1 Full Tower ATX Computer Case
2.   Core i7 3770K 1155 Processor OC to 4.7 GHz
3.   ASUS Maximus V Gene Motherboard
4.   EVGA GTX580 1536MB Video Card
5.   16 GB C8 G.SKILL Low Profile RAM
6.   Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler
7.   240 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
8.   120 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
9.   1 TB Backup Drive
10. Samsung TOC 26 inch Monitor
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Reply #4 - Oct 23rd, 2007 at 9:36am

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Monkey, Nick’s discussion of a flight Simulator running at something less than its full capability is interesting and is what prompted me to make my posting. My new PC hardware component can run FS9 with all sliders at max at 60 FPS. My old system can run FS9 with all sliders at max at 25 FPS. The kicker is that you can’t tell the difference the way the system looks on the monitor between the new and the old system. The movement, resolution, focus, color, etc appears the same. Yes, you could pour in a great deal of money for a new PC that would allow FSX at max settings to achieve 60 to 80 FPS which now approaches 100 percent of its software capability but it will not look or appear any better than a machine getting 50 percent of the software capability with sliders at max getting 25 FPS. So from an engineering and cost point of view I believe one should avoid overkill unless you are designing your system to take on the next generation of Flight Simulator.
 

1.   Chaser MK-1 Full Tower ATX Computer Case
2.   Core i7 3770K 1155 Processor OC to 4.7 GHz
3.   ASUS Maximus V Gene Motherboard
4.   EVGA GTX580 1536MB Video Card
5.   16 GB C8 G.SKILL Low Profile RAM
6.   Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler
7.   240 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
8.   120 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
9.   1 TB Backup Drive
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Reply #5 - Oct 23rd, 2007 at 6:12pm

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Flight Ace wrote on Oct 23rd, 2007 at 9:36am:
Monkey, Nick’s discussion of a flight Simulator running at something less than its full capability is interesting and is what prompted me to make my posting. My new PC hardware component can run FS9 with all sliders at max at 60 FPS. My old system can run FS9 with all sliders at max at 25 FPS. The kicker is that you can’t tell the difference the way the system looks on the monitor between the new and the old system. The movement, resolution, focus, color, etc appears the same. Yes, you could pour in a great deal of money for a new PC that would allow FSX at max settings to achieve 60 to 80 FPS which now approaches 100 percent of its software capability but it will not look or appear any better than a machine getting 50 percent of the software capability with sliders at max getting 25 FPS. So from an engineering and cost point of view I believe one should avoid overkill unless you are designing your system to take on the next generation of Flight Simulator.


Right on Flite Ace...right on....I am getting 20 to 30 fps with my Acer 2.8GHz, Dual Pentium, 2 Gig Ram and ATI 512 Mg Video Card , 160 MG disk and Vista Home..for US$ 950.00.. Cool Cool
 

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Reply #6 - Oct 23rd, 2007 at 8:18pm

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I think you guys are missing the point, fps doesnt matter when it comes down to if the sim is displaying what it is capable of or not.

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Even the best hardware on the market today, and, a massive overclock of that hardware will only produce on the screen an estimated 35-40% of what the title is trying to generate in code.
 

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Reply #7 - Oct 24th, 2007 at 11:51am

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Monkey, could you please give me an explanation of what your quote means.

“Even the best hardware on the market today, and, a massive over clock of that hardware will only produce on the screen an estimated 35-40% of what the title is trying to generate in code”.

Taken literally this would mean that even Microsoft did not have the hardware to fully test FSX? I think that the person who wrote this quote was just making a point that it will take a powerful computer to run FSX at its fullest. I believe this and my only intent in posting was to provide information reference being capable of upgrading a PC to a point where it could run FSX almost maxed out and enjoy the great graphics it presents and at a reasonable cost. Solid also has upgraded at a reasonable cost with positive results.

Does FPS matter?

My old computer runs FS9 with maxed  out sliders at 26 FPS and the picture is gorgeous. My new computer runs FS9 with maxed out sliders at 60 FPS and the picture is gorgeous – looks the same as the old computer. The only difference between the two is a measurement of an additional 34 FPS.

What is the common denominator if I now added a second graphics card to my new system and then ran a test with FSX. I’m already at maxed out settings. Maybe resolution might improve but it is about as good as it can get now, maybe I can now leave on Light Bloom in all locations, maybe more images will come up on the monitor but it is full now, however what I can count on is an increase in FPS. Next year I will add VISTA with DX10. Again another increase in FPS. I now will go from a Dual Gore 3Gig CPU to a Quad Core 3Gig CPU. Again more FPS. FPS is a measurement of how well your computer is performing with FSX after you have reached a point where you can max out all the sliders. The important point here is with FSX already maxed out and when the increase in FPS is the only improvement you can expect with any given upgrade, then no further upgrade is required unless you are of course preparing for the next generation Flight Simulator. In my own case, I will not need any further upgrades until the next generation of MS Flight Simulator is released.

Anyway, happy flying

 

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2.   Core i7 3770K 1155 Processor OC to 4.7 GHz
3.   ASUS Maximus V Gene Motherboard
4.   EVGA GTX580 1536MB Video Card
5.   16 GB C8 G.SKILL Low Profile RAM
6.   Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler
7.   240 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
8.   120 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
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Reply #8 - Oct 24th, 2007 at 12:17pm

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As Flite Ace points out the most important need in FSX or any other game is FPS.....once you pass 20FPS and constantly keep them you are home!!!! But, display quality is defenitly a second "Need" which can easily be gotten with a good Video card and the latest drivers.......going above 30 fps is just great and the Sim really comes alive.....I have Vista and a cheap Video card and am happy up to now. Santa will bring me (I hope) a DeLuxe Video card and with that I will be totally happy. May I point out that it is also desirable to have a hard drive with a lot of space!!!!! the more "empty" space you have the better FSX will behave. If you only have 10 GIG left for playing you are in a rut!!!! disk swapping will be awfull and degrade the Sim.....am sure that SP2 will be a great upgrade for all but specially for those with Vista.......Have fun everyone, that´s the name of the game..... Cool Cool
 

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Reply #9 - Oct 24th, 2007 at 9:55pm

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Quite frankly, I don't know how the 35-40 percentage was arived at, but I do know there is such a high rate in advancment in terms of hardware tech, that combined with improvments in the program in terms of SP1 and SP2, and combined with the latest in CPU, there isn't really any point in chanting "your not getting the the wholle experience" over and over. In fact, the original performance predictions themselves are made obsolete with recent changes in the program itself.
The facts of the matter are that some users have been able to get far more than expected out of FSX, and have done so earlier than though was possible. In the end, they are satisfied, and that is what counts.
 

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Reply #10 - Oct 24th, 2007 at 11:26pm

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My initial post and subsequent submissions were intended to just provide factual information from the experience gained in building a new system to run FSX. I am a happy camper with this new system as it runs FSX beyond my expectations. I do hope that the information provided is informative and useful. My response to Camel_Moe is that I agree that in the end, if a person is satisfied, that certainly is what counts.

 

1.   Chaser MK-1 Full Tower ATX Computer Case
2.   Core i7 3770K 1155 Processor OC to 4.7 GHz
3.   ASUS Maximus V Gene Motherboard
4.   EVGA GTX580 1536MB Video Card
5.   16 GB C8 G.SKILL Low Profile RAM
6.   Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler
7.   240 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
8.   120 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
9.   1 TB Backup Drive
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