Simviation Forum - Cockpit Construction Continued (Part 37)

Reply #15 - Oct 15^th, 2007 at 10:39pm

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John,
“WOW WOW WOW” is the only available word to say. You have already made somebody jealous

Congrats!!
Ermias

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Reply #16 - Oct 18^th, 2007 at 12:14pm

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ermias wrote on Oct 15^th, 2007 at 10:39pm:

John,
“WOW WOW WOW” is the only available word to say. You have already made somebody jealous

Congrats!!
Ermias

i think the rest of us have gotten through the stages of grief earlier throughout the build..

denial- i dont want this simpit, i can make my own
anger- goodness why does it have to look so blummin great?!?
bargaining- allright, just let us all use it when its made
depression- yeh, get a job and then try and build something
acceptance- its gonna be great and we wont be able to use it so tough luck

Grin

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Reply #17 - Nov 7^th, 2007 at 4:03pm

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Hi John.

Just got caught up on your flight sim project, lots of interesting and informative reading. Your writing style is easy to read and follow. One comment:

AWESOME!!!!!

You are a real inspiration to us “Walter Middy’s” of the FS world! I commend you for your determination. You have the fortitude to stick to your dream over many years, where most would have given up the ghost long ago!

I’ve recently tinkered with the idea of doing my own cockpit simulator. I love the 757 and am leaning toward a ‘reasonable’ replica of this cockpit. On the one hand you inspire me, you’ve done such a GREAT job; on the other hand you INTIMIDATE me, it’s take so many years to accomplish!

Couple questions:

1) Could you have done the project more in steps and keep the sim functional? i.e. Could you complete portions of the overhead, portions of the console, portions of the MIP, complete the wiring, painting, programming etc, so at least you could still fly the thing incorporating the parts that are finished (rather than wait years)?

2) I’ve been debating the visual issue in my head; using 3 screens to give a wide view of the world VS a projector to give a big picture. The screens, even on large monitors would be relatively small looking over the MIP and much less immersive than a large projected image. However the projected image can’t give the resolution of the monitor and the cost of using three projectors to give a wide view is prohibitive (not to mention the heat!!). Now that you’re using the projector I would be interested in your opinion on the differences.

One other note: I read all the excerpts from a post that directed me to all the different installments up to Part 36. Part 36 directed me to Part 37. Will there be another post to conveniently link us to further updates as they become available?

When will there be a video of this thing in action on YouTube????

Excellent Job!! Smiley

Rick

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Reply #18 - Nov 8^th, 2007 at 5:33am

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ghrandpa1955,

First of all ....... welcome to SimV... and the "Homebuild Cockpits" forum section. It is not often that we get a new SimV member here whose first posting is in this part of the place.

I am off this AM for a couple of days and very busy at the moment...... so more real answers when I return.

Quickly....... I was able to "fly it" after a certain point was reached. Up until then, I flew using the typical desktop setup. If I didn't have certain constraints on the construction (mainly size/location) it could have been designed to be able to use a bitearlier in the process.

As to using a projector (lower resolution/bigger size) versus monitors (higher resolution/smaller size) ......... GET A PROJECTOR! Two factors. The size DOES matter ( Wink

).....makes a HUGE difference. Unless you can get a few 60" plasma TVs....... which would work very nicely too. Plus the projected image is going to be anywhere from a bit to a lot further away.... which helps "fool" your eyes into the "reality" of the scenery being "out there".

Thanks for the kind words! And don't give up on the dream.

best,

.....................john

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Reply #19 - Nov 8^th, 2007 at 7:29am

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My 2 cents,

I have to agree with John on the use of a larger display over monitors. Even at lower resolutions the larger display placed properly does in fact complete the immersion effect. I have been toying with a 60" dlp projection screen and to sum it up my 4 year old said it best "daddy its sooo real"

The other John.....

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Reply #20 - Nov 9^th, 2007 at 11:46am

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WHOA! That's awesome! Grin

I would probably start feeling dizzeh after a while if I had that. I want one. Smiley

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Reply #21 - Nov 11^th, 2007 at 11:36am

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machineman9 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2007 at 12:14pm:

denial- i dont want this simpit, i can make my own
anger- goodness why does it have to look so blummin great?!?
bargaining- allright, just let us all use it when its made
depression- yeh, get a job and then try and build something
acceptance- its gonna be great and we wont be able to use it so tough luck

Good one. Thanks.

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Reply #22 - Nov 11^th, 2007 at 11:54am

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grandpa1955 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2007 at 4:03pm:

I’ve recently tinkered with the idea of doing my own cockpit simulator. I love the 757 and am leaning toward a ‘reasonable’ replica of this cockpit. On the one hand you inspire me, you’ve done such a GREAT job; on the other hand you INTIMIDATE me, it’s take so many years to accomplish!

Rick,

One thing about this kind of project is that the PLANNING phase is probably half the fun of actually taking it on. Spend adequate time on that phase.

Plus you learn as you go... so you pick up skills and ideas as you progress.

My guess is that my pit will never be "done"; it'll be tweeked to death forever. Software will change. New functions in the sim will come available. Something that looked "good enough" at an earlier stage will become the functional or eyesore thing that bugs the crap out of you later on...and needs changing. And so on.

grandpa1955 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2007 at 4:03pm:

1) Could you have done the project more in steps and keep the sim functional? i.e. Could you complete portions of the overhead, portions of the console, portions of the MIP, complete the wiring, painting, programming etc, so at least you could still fly the thing incorporating the parts that are finished (rather than wait years)?

You could, for example, purchase anywhere from one to four or five Goflight VRP radio modules (com 1 Com 2, Nav 1, Nav2, ADF) and add them (in a rough supporting box) to your desktop sim right now. learn how they work, enjoy thier functions. Then keep flying the desktop setup as you start constructing the center pedestal that will eventually hold those four or five radios. Ditto for other stuff that goes there. Then someday you plop all those already working components into their new "home" and the center pedestal is suddenly functional. That pedestal could then reside next to your desk... or could be in the pit awwaiting enough stuff on hand to make a "sudden transition" from desktop to cockpit.

grandpa1955 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2007 at 4:03pm:

2) I’ve been debating the visual issue in my head; using 3 screens to give a wide view of the world VS a projector to give a big picture. The screens, even on large monitors would be relatively small looking over the MIP and much less immersive than a large projected image. However the projected image can’t give the resolution of the monitor and the cost of using three projectors to give a wide view is prohibitive (not to mention the heat!!). Now that you’re using the projector I would be interested in your opinion on the differences.

Using something like the triple head to go from Matrox plus three good large flatscreens will cost about the same or MORE than a single projector. Side views could STILL be flatscreens made to look like "windows".

grandpa1955 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2007 at 4:03pm:

One other note: I read all the excerpts from a post that directed me to all the different installments up to Part 36. Part 36 directed me to Part 37. Will there be another post to conveniently link us to further updates as they become available?

I will continue to update that main master link to the project that Dave started.

grandpa1955 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2007 at 4:03pm:

When will there be a video of this thing in action on YouTube????

Not sure.... but when I do it will be right here on SimVTV. Wink

best,

........................john

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Reply #23 - Jan 5^th, 2008 at 5:47am

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oh my days that thing is amazing, those shots of you flying look so real its.. just... well... its WOW!!!

good work john!

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Reply #24 - Mar 4^th, 2008 at 6:05am

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Laterst News

Well.... haven't had time to work on the pit for a LONG time. Work getting in the way of play and all that.

I have the "good news / bad news" thing going for the pit at the moment.

The good news is that I now have a nice newish Compaq laptop to drive some more pit functions.

The bad news is that it is my own (formerly)good work use laptop ......... that when I slipped on the ice and took a nasty fall last week ........ I totally trashed the screen! It still drives an external monitor just fine... but the integrated screen is now toast. And with the cost to replace screens and inverters and such on those Compaq machines........ a new machine is not all that much more expensive than repairing it.

Sigh............ Roll Eyes

Maybe I have my FMC? Cool

best,

.......................john

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Reply #25 - Mar 4^th, 2008 at 8:45am

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Sorry to hear about your fall- next time make sure the laptop is under your kiester- it won't hurt as much. Grin

Looks like another warm day brewing down here; hope y'all get some sunshine up in the hollows of NH.

Keep plugging away- I've been trying to do so; mostly out of sheer irritation that the finishing aspect of my 'pit is turning into a bigger project than the mechanicals and electronics... next time: no exterior!! Angry

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Reply #26 - May 12^th, 2008 at 6:54pm

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On to Part 38

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1210632165

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