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Reply #15 - Oct 7th, 2007 at 6:15am

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okay guys here's something for the books...... when i talk about flying i mainly am referring to small acrobatic props and military jets and medium props if i'm talking about anything i'll metion what it is Smiley
 

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Reply #16 - Oct 15th, 2007 at 5:36pm

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For #1 I've seen some crop dusters that can land in very small places fly all the way down the runway and then land right before turning off onto the taxiway, their motto is "Time is Money", or is it "Lookout for that tree!" Undecided Tongue
 
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Reply #17 - Oct 17th, 2007 at 2:40am

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Mazza wrote on Oct 7th, 2007 at 6:15am:
okay guys here's something for the books...... when i talk about flying i mainly am referring to small acrobatic props and military jets and medium props if i'm talking about anything i'll metion what it is Smiley



In lighter nosewheel aircraft (some fighters like the Grippen are "small" but are heavy), you really should not try to force the nose down on the rollout.
The reason has less to do with aerodynamics than with leverage.
An airplane with a nosewheel has a CG that is ahead of the main wheels. So if you force the nose down, that mass will start to pivot forward with the nosewheel as a fulcrum instead of the mains. Even if the nosewheel stops completely,  that mass wants to keep coming forward. Right? It's a problem with a lighter plane because there is not enough weight to keep the tail down, but enough to start moving up around that pivot point.
  So now the airplane is not keeping itself straight on the rollout as any good "trike" should when the fixed mains have touched down aligned with the runway... it's mostly on that one wheel, a wheel which can pivot.
  This can be a  bad thing.
Smaller trikes can easily "wheelbarrow", which often means a trip off the side of the runway, because the ailerons and rudder are useless at that speed, and the plane will not steer well with all of its weight on the nosewheel.  Or even most of its weight.
Assuming the nosewheel doesn't collapse, often taking the engine mount with it... it's usually not made to take that kind of force.

Bottom line here is: the nosewheel is not the desired fulcrum. Grin

  As you roll out, you want to use "up" elevator to use as much of that weight aft of the mains as you can to keep the mains glued to the runway, balanced with the weight forward of the mains, and use the bottom of the wings for drag until the nosewheel comes down (or is put down- some trikes need nosewheel steering earlier than others).

Or so it seems to me... Grin


 

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Reply #18 - Oct 17th, 2007 at 7:29am

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okay guys here's something for the books...... when i talk about flying i mainly am referring to small acrobatic props and military jets and medium props if i'm talking about anything i'll metion what it is 


Like I posted earlier..  A lot depends on the airplane and the situation/conditions. Off the to of my head, I can't think of an acrobatic prop that even HAS a nose wheel (Aerobats don't count).. and by "medium prop", do you mean a twin ?  Military jets have so little in common with propeller planes of any kind, it's weird to see them grouped together in a discussion like this.

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#2: when you have landed and still on the runway to push the stick forward to help with braking?


OK.. Nose-wheel brakes are almost non-existent, and as Rotty pointed out; the static CG is already forward of the main-wheels (else it'd be a tail-dragger, tail wheel or no)... so any pushing forward of the yoke/stick would reduce braking effectiveness.  NOW... if you've already landed on a wet runway; are going slowly enough that the rudder has become un-effective, and need to turn off the runway abruptly..... a combination of braking and forward yoke/stick might be needed to keep the nose-wheel from "plowing". That will put you in territory dangerously close to a wing-strike, and you'd be better off just rolling to the next taxiway, or if need be, back-taxi after slowing to a safer speed.
 
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