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Sep 12th, 2007 at 12:19pm

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Well, entering the twilight zone....  Grin

John, thanks for the feedback to date. I got FreeFD running yesterday, and it was looking really nice! Kinda slow, running both FS9 and FreeFD on the same PC, but was just trying it. Hopefully, tonight I´ll go get that other PC I mentioned you in the PM, and see if it works there...  Roll Eyes

Anyway, yesterday night I was pondering the idea of a "desk-pit" to acoomodate thing a bit better. I had to keep in mind that the wife uses the computer a lot for her university studies, so I cannot build something just for the Sim. So, here´s a sketch I drawed last night. I need your feedback, guys, to improve the design. I´m not much of a designer, so, any comment would be welcome.

I plan to build the whole stuf with MFD, and then paint it gray (matte). The 15" monitor would have a "cross" in front of it to give the gauges a physical division on top of them.

Here´s the sketch:

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Hope to hear your comments.


Cheers!


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Reply #1 - Sep 12th, 2007 at 5:04pm

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Not bad... Make sure those CRT's have room to breath, my current 17" gets reasonably toasty on top after a few hours of use. Also, cable management is always a good thing when it comes to desks, as I find now I'm snowed under with cables on my desk.

If you want to see some really wacky multi-monitor setups, check this gallery. It is my aim in life to have more monitors than I have applications running  Grin
 

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Reply #2 - Sep 12th, 2007 at 6:46pm

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I agree you should look into placing cooling fans in  each monitor enclosure. You could run them off a power supply from one of your computers. Jus make sure you get good air flow thru each box.

 

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Reply #3 - Sep 12th, 2007 at 7:33pm

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Also if the joystick you intend to use if force feed back make shoure you can lock the slide that it will sit on as other wise it will moving and make your stick have a mind of its own (Not a good thing if your trying to land a tail dragger in a cross wind)
 
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Reply #4 - Sep 12th, 2007 at 10:58pm

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Only criticism I have is that a 17" CRT is too small. Grin
 

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Reply #5 - Sep 13th, 2007 at 7:39am

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Hmm you might be correct as I know that i can get 19" CRT's for about £10 ( $5 ) from the local computer shows
 
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Reply #6 - Sep 13th, 2007 at 10:53am

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BuggsK100RS wrote on Sep 12th, 2007 at 7:33pm:
Also if the joystick you intend to use if force feed back make shoure you can lock the slide that it will sit on as other wise it will moving and make your stick have a mind of its own (Not a good thing if your trying to land a tail dragger in a cross wind)



Thanks for that! I do have a force feedback, and didn´t think about that!  Roll Eyes Great tip!


beaky wrote on Sep 12th, 2007 at 10:58pm:
Only criticism I have is that a 17" CRT is too small. Grin

BuggsK100RS wrote on Sep 13th, 2007 at 7:39am:
Hmm you might be correct as I know that i can get 19" CRT's for about £10 ( $5 ) from the local computer shows


Yeah... I know... Sad Problem is, that even used stuff here in Guatemala can get kind off expensive, specially for a home project whose budget is determined by the wife...  Grin  Grin

No, seriously, I originally had the 15" CRT, and found that 17" for about US$35.00 which is a bargain here in Guatemala. Unfortunately, they didn´t had anything bigger. But, trust me, after flying in a 15" @ 1024*768 for a year and a half, that 17" @1280*1024 looks gigantic!

As for the cooling, I got two fans that will be installed in the monitor enclosures. Also, the bottom (15") monitor enclosure will not have a "lid" on top, to give it some more breath space. And the 17" will not have a backlid, for the same reason.

Also, was thinking about getting rid of the drawer like base for the joystick, and use a wireless keyboard and mouse, to ger rid of the cables and have some more manouvering room in the desktop. Problem is, batteries drain really fast (accordling to my sister).  The tip from Bugs is making me consider this idea a lot, though.

Went yesterday to the wood store, and got myself 3 plywood "planchas" (don´t know how to  say that in English, they are 4 by 8 feet and 1/2" thick square pieces of plywood, somebody tell me how to say that in a one english word?  Wink  Grin ) and some wood (pine) guides to strenghten the structure. Investment was about US$65.00 Will start the cutting process this weekend.

As for the finish, any ideas? The guy at the wood store recomended me to cover the plywood with "formica" and showed me some samples. The black matte one looked nice, but the, it would look too much like an office desk. I was thinking about painting it gray, but I would love to hear your comments.

Anyway, this weekend is gonna be entertaining. Will dust off all the tools and the electric saws. Dont have a clue how is it gonna work, since its more than a year and a half that I did any woodwork...

I´ll try to post some pics of the work in progress.


Cheers!


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Reply #7 - Sep 13th, 2007 at 11:09am

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Frank,

We usually call that a "sheet" of plywood here in the USA.  I have no idea of the derivation of the use of that word... but it is also the thin cloth layer that you use in a bed as the first layer of covering.  Plywood is a thin wide item that is often used as an underlayer in construction....so that LIKELY is the source.   (By the way.... your English is excellent.)

If you've followed my series on my pit, like Masternerd I strongly recommend fans for the CRT enclosures.  For LCD... not an issue.

One issue that is REALLY important for both you and your wife.......... is the height of that TOP 17" monitor.  Be careful to NOT get that so that you have to look upward.  You will KILL your neck over time.  So you might have to lower the height of the general tabletop or build in a depression to lower just the monitor stack.  

As to the "facing" for the lower instrument monitor........

Rather than a fixed rectangular grid...... maybe you could look into a thin (maybe .5 cm or so) sheet of Medium Density Fiberboard (MDF) that is cut with rectangular and round openings to line up over the sim's simulatted gauge panel.  If on the monitor enclosure box itself you put some extra strength Velcro to hold the facings in place, you could have multiple panel facings that match up to the various aircraft panels that you fly.  With the Velcro.... it would be pretty easy to swap them out.

As to the finish, plywood will show a slight wood grain pattern when painted unless you spend a LOT of time on the finish with a grain filler material and lots of sanding and primer coats.  If you don't mind the slight grain... then just sand it and prime it and paint it all grey.  I used MDF for all of the pit structures... and that takes a very smooth finish of paint withouit too many coats.

Think of this as a "starter simpit".  You'll learn a lot from doing it.  First steps on a long but enjoyable journey.

Here's some more "food for thought":  http://matthewmwohlford.googlepages.com/

Can you solve your wife's need to ALSO use the computer with an EXTRA monitor located at a desk somewhere else from your pit, and if your current keyboard and mouse are the typical wiring, ass a usb keyboard and usb mouse to the current system?   Or use the standard KVM type switch to accomplish that?  Instead of adding a full second computer for her to use you just are adding an extra monitor, keyboard, and mouse (plus maybe the KVM switch).

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Reply #8 - Sep 13th, 2007 at 2:36pm

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On the wireless keybord and mouse batterys should not be a problem I use a microsoft Kbord and mouse set up and only have to replace the (rechargable) batterys every year gave or take a month.  Tho thay will die on you when your trying to doo something rearly hard!!!

 
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Reply #9 - Sep 13th, 2007 at 2:44pm

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Also its wise to note that the keybord and mouse will probably be the most used unput devices on your PC as thay are used for all most every thing.  I would never have spent £80 on the bord and mouse that i have but when you think that its lasted over 5 years with no problems (and even survied the orange juce i covered it in last month with only a slight dismantle and cleen ) spending that little extra might hurt your wallit  right now it payes for its self in the long run.
 
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Reply #10 - Sep 13th, 2007 at 3:57pm

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BuggsK100RS wrote on Sep 13th, 2007 at 2:36pm:
On the wireless keybord and mouse ..........


I wasn't talking about a wireless one... I was saying a USB one..... or anything thru a KVM switch...... but that wireless idea might be another option.

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Reply #11 - Sep 15th, 2007 at 1:51pm

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hmm, i think the monitors should be larger and of equal size. a 19" monitor like mine is a nice size... and i would only ever dream of dual screening with an equally large monitor (i hate it when things look out of odds like that)

the rest does look nice though.... sure it will need 2 towers?
 

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