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Question: FS9 or FSX

FS9    
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FSX    
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Sep 2nd, 2007 at 1:00am

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Yes, it's time to have this vote again because it's been a while since the last one and some people may have changed their minds. Decide which simulator you like best. Smiley
 

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Reply #1 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 1:00am

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I still like FS9. Smiley
 

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Reply #2 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 1:01am

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Is there really a competion between these 2? Roll Eyes

Of course FS9 is way better. Grin
 

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Reply #3 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 1:48am
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And on what grounds do you base this on a1? FSX is better. Period. I am looking at this from an unbiased point of view, and I will admit, FS9s performance is better. However, FSX, has better graphics, and THOUSANDS of capabilities. Look at it. We have jetways at each airport. Service trucks by default, and fuel trucks. We have the capability to add SUPER high resolution ground textures. Space flight.  Glider tow-planes, which can actually be modified to launch a Space Shuttle. Bump mapping. Self shadowing. Light bloom.

Would you like me to go on? There is no comparing the two, FSX supersedes FS2004. Its like comparing the Gulfstream G550 to the WeeBee. Keep in mind, that it was designed to run on TOMORROW'S software, yet people (miltestpilot, I'm looking at you) can run it at max, with 40FPS.
 
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Reply #4 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 4:53am

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It took ages for everyone to convert from FS 2000 to FS 2002, and from FS 2002 to FS 2004, (including me!).

The same thing will happen with FSX, only this time it will take longer...probably.... Roll Eyes...!

F....G-BPLF....FS 2004. (And FSX).
 

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Reply #5 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 7:20am
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Maybe that FSX has really some good things, but the performance is like a "further improved advanced slideshow" Wink and the graphic is only better if you take both FS with default and WITHOUT any add-ons!
@An-225: Just look at the screenshot contests!! Are the FSX shots there really better than the FS9 ones????? NO!!

I love my FS9, all it's problems and all it's errors! Cheesy Wink And I'll wait till FS11, nobody will get me to upgrade to fsx, not even if you gave me it as a birthday present!  Grin
 
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Reply #6 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 7:27am

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First, I have to agree with Fozzy (and I was not sure that would happen in my lifetime  Grin Wink; big hugs, right, Foz?).  It is probably going to be a matter of transition over time.

That being said . . .

I am particular to FS9 right now simply because I can get better performance out of FS9 on my present computer systems than I can get out of FSX.  My dad has a much better system than I do, and he prefers FSX because he can get more out of FSX than FS9 because his system can handle it.  Really, if there is one big drawback to FSX, it is that the software is way ahead of what seems to be the most common hardware that people have.  Once the hardware catches up to the software, then FSX will start coming into its own.

That being said (#2) . . .

FS9 had incredible developer support.  While it can be time consuming to install this add-on or that, FS9 can still give the potential of FSX a good run for its money simply because of the massive amount of support it enjoys.  FS9 was a truly benchmark piece of software when it comes to flight simulation for the home user.  If you set aside graphics, FSX was a fine-tuning over FS9, but it didn't reinvent the wheel.  So, while FSX has a lot of untapped potential yet to be discovered, FS9 is still a truly great piece of software, and having it in one's software library is definitely a good thing for any aviation/flight simulation enthusiast.

So, my grand conclusion from all my rambling is:

Murjax!  Why didn't you include a poll option for BOTH?!?  Grin Wink

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Reply #7 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 7:28am

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I'd not say the change from 2k2 to 2k4 took that long. But if you look at the history of FS I'd say this was like the change from 98 to 2k. When it first came out FS2k has a LOT of issues that put people off. Eventually everything got sorted and the game caught on but it took time. I think MS were a little premature in their release of FSX but I can't deny it is fantastic. That said I'm still flying FS9 'cos my rig struggles with FSX Cry
 

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Reply #8 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 7:38am

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Xyn_Air wrote on Sep 2nd, 2007 at 7:27am:
First, I have to agree with Fozzy (and I was not sure that would happen in my lifetime  Grin Wink; big hugs, right, Foz?)....... 

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Reply #9 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 9:13am

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This is kinda like asking about watching movies a few years ago,  "Which is better for watching a movie, VHS or DVD ?"

If you didn't have a decent DVD player (and had a huge collection of VHS movies), then you didn't have an honest opinion.

You could STILL watch a movie in great clarity and with great convenience in VHS... and the ultra-clarity, smoothness and extra features of DVD viewing was like an expensive distraction...  "My VHS movies look great to me"... "I've got a great collection of VHS titles and DVD players are too expensive"...

The FS9/FSX comparison is even more dramatic. It's the biggest leap in visual quality and technical features since MSFS has been in existence. Probably  TOO big a leap, but wow... when you get to fly FSX on a computer with "decent" capability, FS9 seems pretty blah.

The biggest hurdle ($$$) is already getting jumpable. A very good FSX machine can be built for under $2500US..  a very playable computer for under $1500US..  And if there's an upside to this huge leap; it's that the potential is almost open-ended. As hardware get better (and less expensive), and the add-on community catches up (I can tell you from personal experience that  FSX modeling is very challenging), the simming experience that FSX offers is so far above FS9, that it's not a fair question to compare them. They're different products of different technological eras...
 
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Reply #10 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 10:30am

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Brett said it well. I'll admit, I like the better performance of FS9 now, but in a year, FSX will knock the socks off FS9. By the time Geforce 9 cards are on the market, the geforce 8 series will be further lowered in price, making it more accessible to the common man. Wink Thats why I'm waiting to build my new system!

This is a great thread!
 

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Reply #11 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 11:13am

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Well, im going to go with FS9, it was a hard choice because ive played both but the reason why im picking FS9 is because, you don't need a super computer to run it on. Second, because its possible to get all the Ground Crew, Fuel tanks, Jetways ect ect, by addons, i have thousands of addons, to make FS9 "better" and it can still be improved, im hopfully getting a new computer soon, so when i do, my graphics will be much better and textures improved, the only thing that let it down for me was, Space Flight which in FSX is possible, but other than that i think FS2004 is better.
 

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Reply #12 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 1:11pm

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Depends what you want from each version..With the Addons i have now, VFR flying is simply GREAT in my FS9! Check out this, proves my point!

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1188685777

All FS9 Smiley
 

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Reply #13 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 1:27pm

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FSX when I choose to run it. I get rather excited as I love the graphics, but with me heart condition I have to stay clear. But, Google Earth is great and I dont get a problem with it. So the world is still me oyster.

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Reply #14 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 7:23pm
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Obviouslly, FSX has it's advantages. But as far as I'm concerned, those advantages in no way justify the purchase of the new hardware it needs. I use a relatively old machine and choose to continue to run Windows 98, for it's size, simplicity and light use of resources, and FS9 runs quite happily on it. I would have to comprimize far too much to run FSX, so for my money, It's FS9 all the way!
 
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Reply #15 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 8:41pm

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FS9 is the safer option if you don't have the greatest comp or the money to risk getting FSX.
 

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Reply #16 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 9:31pm

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FS9 at the moment
 

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Reply #17 - Sep 2nd, 2007 at 10:41pm
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Ugh...people just face it, FSX IS better. Default FSX with no add ons looks like FS9 loaded with all the best payware products out there. Yes, the performance is crap, because it was designed to run on tomorrows hardware. If you want your frames, for now, FS9 is the way to go. But if you want more features, capabilities etc. FSX is the way to go. Just look at all the new features it has brought to the table, default.
 
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Reply #18 - Sep 4th, 2007 at 5:50am

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FSX and ive only played the demo of it (versus getting FS9 in like 2004 and playing it since then)

why?

missions... it adds practise, excitement and makes the game seem less 'ooh you just fly a plane, how boring'
graphics... they look great. no addon ive seen so far for FS9 has made them look as good
runnng speed... i get some better performance on FSX (without the running speed download addon thing which makes it even quicker) than FS9 when they are at about equal settings


its just all over better and i havent played the most of it yet
 

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Reply #19 - Sep 4th, 2007 at 8:13am

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As an owner of both FSX and FS 2004, and one of the merry band of daily Multiplayer flyers, I find that in all the various Flight Sim Sites, that FS 2002 and FS 2004 are still the most popular Programs for on-line flying.. Wink...!
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Reply #20 - Sep 4th, 2007 at 9:22am
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I'm undescided / can't give a vote.

I use FSX for GA and FS9 for my heavies.
 
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Reply #21 - Sep 22nd, 2007 at 11:10am

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I have used 2002,2004 and fsx...and my choice is fs9 because it has good graphics(i'm playing 2002) and as u guys brought up u need a supercom to play fsx( i downloaded the demo put on low graphics couldn't get 20fps out of it) anyways i have played fs9 on my friends com( he has the same sytem as me expet for ram my is 500mb his in 1g luckly i'm getting fs9 for my b-bay Smiley Cool )
 

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Reply #22 - Sep 22nd, 2007 at 1:20pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Sep 2nd, 2007 at 9:13am:
A very good FSX machine can be built for under $2500US..


Brett,

With all due respect, that's a LOT of disposable income to dispose of.   Shocked   Wink

And that is in US dollars.  For some people in other countries, that is a significant portion of their entire annual income.  (Actually for some people in the world....... it is an astronomically huge figure representing multiple year's worth of total income.)

Those of us who can afford to own computers and play with the sim and surf the web need to take a moment and realize how fortunate and blessed we actually are.

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Reply #23 - Sep 22nd, 2007 at 1:44pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Sep 2nd, 2007 at 9:13am:
......A very good FSX machine can be built for under $2500US.... 


Blimey!.....that's nearly four months total Old Age Pension income for me... Shocked...!

I build mine bit by bit, over a period of years...Wink...!

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I'm sorry, but I get the feeling that MS has made FSX into more of a game rather than an actual sim...Do we really need missions in FSX? Fine, the cars and all are good looking, but rather pointless to me...I'd rather spend time up in the air than on the ground...I'm not saying FSX is useless...I do understand that's it's better than FS9 by leaps and bounds, but to me, the actual Simulator died out with FS9...I don't want my simulator to be a "game"... Roll Eyes Cheesy
 

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FlightSimKid wrote on Sep 2nd, 2007 at 11:13am:
Well, im going to go with FS9, it was a hard choice because ive played both but the reason why im picking FS9 is because, you don't need a super computer to run it on. Second, because its possible to get all the Ground Crew, Fuel tanks, Jetways ect ect, by addons, i have thousands of addons, to make FS9 "better" and it can still be improved, im hopfully getting a new computer soon, so when i do, my graphics will be much better and textures improved, the only thing that let it down for me was, Space Flight which in FSX is possible, but other than that i think FS2004 is better.


And in fs2002 from camsim(go camsim Wink)
 

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Reply #26 - Oct 5th, 2007 at 6:22am
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Ashar wrote on Sep 23rd, 2007 at 2:19am:
I'm sorry, but I get the feeling that MS has made FSX into more of a game rather than an actual sim...Do we really need missions in FSX? Fine, the cars and all are good looking, but rather pointless to me...I'd rather spend time up in the air than on the ground...I'm not saying FSX is useless...I do understand that's it's better than FS9 by leaps and bounds, but to me, the actual Simulator died out with FS9...I don't want my simulator to be a "game"... Roll Eyes Cheesy


I see what you are saying here Ashar, however, it is not exactly a game. Wink

MS has FAR from made FSX into a game. It is not like FSX has become *Fox two, Fox two! Mig-28s are down!* and when you complete the mission, you get a *Well done, high score, enter your initials*. No, rather, the missions are there to show you new features in FSX. The scripting possibilities (flour bombs, human voice, waypoints that are triggered on certain conditions, so that you know if you are flying the mission properly etc), the graphics (in several scenic flights, you tour parts of the world so that you can see the graphical improvement), the aircraft and several other similar things. It also offers more chances for complex add-ons (PMDG MD-11, CS C-130 and 727 etc) with more chances to code aircraft specific items (FBW etc) and checklists into the plane. Wink
 
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JBaymore wrote on Sep 22nd, 2007 at 1:20pm:
Brett_Henderson wrote on Sep 2nd, 2007 at 9:13am:
A very good FSX machine can be built for under $2500US..


Brett,

With all due respect, that's a LOT of disposable income to dispose of.   Shocked   Wink

And that is in US dollars.  For some people in other countries, that is a significant portion of their entire annual income.  (Actually for some people in the world....... it is an astronomically huge figure representing multiple year's worth of total income.)

Those of us who can afford to own computers and play with the sim and surf the web need to take a moment and realize how fortunate and blessed we actually are.

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Sorry.. I don't check this section of the forums often...  Someone bumped it up so I'm late responding.

Yes, $2,500 is alot of money, but it's about average for a new gaming computer.

Heck.. I paid $4,000 for an IBM PC back in 1981. It was  0.004GHZ / 0.0005GB of RAM / 0.01GB HDD..

Circa 1996, a Monster Gaming computer ( 233MHZ /  64MB of RAM / 16MB Voodoo V-card ) was a good $4,000, too..

Now we get 100 times the computer for half the money (way less than 1/2 when you adjust for inflation)..

Gaming has never been less expensive, and when you relate the amount of entertainment you get over a period of even just a couple years, $2500 is not much at all.... ESPECIALLY when you consider that gaming isn't the only use for the computer.

Staying on the cutting edge is silly expensive... but planning on spending  $2,500 every three years or so on hardware to keep you where software like FSX can be enjoyed is a  relatively inexpensive hobby... It works out to about $2.30 / day. Even if you double that to allow for add-ons, yokes/pedals/joysticks and unexpected repairs/breakage, it's still a VERY inexpensive hobby. I can't think of anything that would give me the same level of enjoyment; day in, day out; month after month for $4.60 per day.

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Reply #28 - Oct 5th, 2007 at 7:38am
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Brett_Henderson wrote on Oct 5th, 2007 at 7:27am:
Sorry.. I don't check this section of the forums often...  Someone bumped it up so I'm late responding.

Yes, $2,500 is alot of money, but it's about average for a new gaming computer.

Heck.. I paid $4,000 for an IBM PC back in 1981. It was  0.004GHZ / 0.0005GB of RAM / 0.01GB HDD..

Circa 1996, a Monster Gaming computer ( 233MHZ /  64MB of RAM / 16MB Voodoo V-card ) was a good $4,000, too.. Smiley


Sell it in the year 2020, its an antique by then, est. 500 000 back into your bank account, leave it there for another five years, collect interest, instant million, enjoy. Wink
 
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