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Aurora: is it real? (Read 17274 times)
Reply #60 -
Aug 16
th
, 2007 at 8:36pm
Jayhawk Jake
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Charlie wrote
on Aug 16
th
, 2007 at 4:45pm:
Crussell wrote
on Aug 16
th
, 2007 at 4:20pm:
Wow, for like 2 pages it was about Spelling and Grammar.
I too am 14 in the UK, I used to not be able to spell and use grammar but I grew out of it
[self banter]Some of us are over 14, have degrees and all sorts and still have occasional lapses, normally due to typos and general dullness...
[/self banter]
I'm over 14!!!! Yay me!!!!
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feeling VERY hyper for some reason
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Reply #61 -
Aug 17
th
, 2007 at 6:18am
An-225
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Yay, I'm 13, I...don't know. Mature for my age.
@ Spelling: My eyes, they hurt!
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Do I think Aurora exists? Possibly, but then again, the years in which "Aurora" was spotted, were the years during which the B-2 was being developed. Codename, possibly? Triangular shape, elongated, possibly a prototype for the B-2? And at any rate, it would take YEARS worth of technology to design an engine that could propel a conventional aeroplane to speeds of Mach 6/20+, unless it was supposed to propel itself to an altitude beyond the atmosphere, take photos, and re-enter, reaching speeds of Mach 20 on descent, in order to make a high speed get away. No one knows its been there, if they do know, they cannot identify which faction it belongs to.
Boy, I hope I'm wrong with this theory...do I now know too much?
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Reply #62 -
Aug 17
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, 2007 at 9:23am
Jayhawk Jake
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Yay, I'm 13, I...don't know. Mature for my age.
@ Spelling: My eyes, they hurt!
Back on topic...
Do I think Aurora exists? Possibly, but then again, the years in which "Aurora" was spotted, were the years during which the B-2 was being developed. Codename, possibly? Triangular shape, elongated, possibly a prototype for the B-2? And at any rate, it would take YEARS worth of technology to design an engine that could propel a conventional aeroplane to speeds of Mach 6/20+, unless it was supposed to propel itself to an altitude beyond the atmosphere, take photos, and re-enter, reaching speeds of Mach 20 on descent, in order to make a high speed get away. No one knows its been there, if they do know, they cannot identify which faction it belongs to.
Boy, I hope I'm wrong with this theory...do I now know too much?
13? Psh, that's nothing
Again, with the technology for the speed it's possible that the military guys are years ahead of us and just not saying anything. I doubt it, but then again it's happened in the past I'm sure.
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Reply #63 -
Aug 17
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, 2007 at 10:14am
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Yay, I'm 13, I...don't know. Mature for my age.
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Do I think Aurora exists? Possibly, but then again, the years in which "Aurora" was spotted, were the years during which the B-2 was being developed. Codename, possibly? Triangular shape, elongated, possibly a prototype for the B-2?
Many such aircraft exist, and are in fact in the public domain, such as "Have Blue" (a proof of concept aircraft for the F-117a) and "Tacit Blue", a technology demonstrator for the B2, which flew from 1982 to 85, but was not revealed publically until 1996 (it's now on public display!).
My own personal view is that Aurora is a name that has been continually over used over the years, genarally by UFO enthusiasts and "plane spotters". I expect several projects that have been "called" Aurora over the past 30 years have appeared under "real" code names, such as those above.
http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/index.html
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Reply #64 -
Aug 17
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, 2007 at 1:58pm
Jayhawk Jake
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Charlie wrote
on Aug 17
th
, 2007 at 10:14am:
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Yay, I'm 13, I...don't know. Mature for my age.
@ Spelling: My eyes, they hurt!
Back on topic...
Do I think Aurora exists? Possibly, but then again, the years in which "Aurora" was spotted, were the years during which the B-2 was being developed. Codename, possibly? Triangular shape, elongated, possibly a prototype for the B-2?
Many such aircraft exist, and are in fact in the public domain, such as "Have Blue" (a proof of concept aircraft for the F-117a) and "Tacit Blue", a technology demonstrator for the B2, which flew from 1982 to 85, but was not revealed publically until 1996 (it's now on public display!).
My own personal view is that Aurora is a name that has been continually over used over the years, genarally by UFO enthusiasts and "plane spotters". I expect several projects that have been "called" Aurora over the past 30 years have appeared under "real" code names, such as those above.
http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/index.html
Tacit blue is so odd....the plane that is *cough*
I'm sure there will be many similar cases in the years to come....because pretty much for every new military plane there's a counterpart developed either as a proof of concept or in competition for a contract.
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Aug 29
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, 2007 at 12:56am
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Boy oh boy, there is a lot of information / disinformation in this thread. As far as question of if a still classified super/hypersonic reconnaissance aircraft has been or is still being used, I cannot say one way or the other. I can say that the days of manned aerial reconnaissance are fast drawing to a close. Modern UAVs have several advantages that make them more appealing for these types of operations. I won't get into too many details on that end because it would get too long and boring.
Now something I can talk is the specifications listed in the original post (I do have a degree in this sort of thing):
Mach 20? I don't think I've seen the (unclassified) speed of a SAM above Mach 10. The extra weight from airframe, engines, and fuel requirements to run at that speed would really not buy you anything extra as opposed to running at lower speed. Mach 6-8 would really make the most sense for this type of aircraft.
LH2/LOX is rocket fuel. It's what the Space Shuttle engines use. That fuel is totally incompatible with any air breathing engine design (hence the requirement for liquid oxygen). In addition rocket engines are good for making things go fast for a shot period of time. They are not really a good choice for cruising an aircraft for an extended period of time.
Engines:
Lots of choices out there, a lot of them have some significant problems with practical implementation in an operational aircraft. The hybrid turbo/ramjet would probably be my choice because of previous experience with the technology on the SR-71.
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Reply #66 -
Aug 29
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wherabouts in shetland? You never know - I might know them - I go up there every year and stay in the reawick area... great fun....
And on the subject of being able to understand about one in three words he speaks - I have a rather more disturbing version of that condition - sometimes I find it perfectly easy to understand whole sentences, other times all I hear is mumbling....
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Reply #67 -
Sep 16
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, 2007 at 10:40pm
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I seriously doubt the government would be this inept at keeping something secret....
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DONTREADMYUSERNAME wrote
on Sep 16
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, 2007 at 10:40pm:
I seriously doubt the government would be this inept at keeping something secret....
Remember, the best sort of secrecy is the "Clairol" method - "Is she, or isn't she?" (of course, I may be dating myself with that phrase).
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Sep 19
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, 2007 at 2:00am
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Felix/FFDS wrote
on Sep 17
th
, 2007 at 8:02am:
DONTREADMYUSERNAME wrote
on Sep 16
th
, 2007 at 10:40pm:
I seriously doubt the government would be this inept at keeping something secret....
Remember, the best sort of secrecy is the "Clairol" method - "Is she, or isn't she?" (of course, I may be dating myself with that phrase).
If you can remember the "Not The Nine O'clock News" version, then yes you are
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Reply #70 -
Sep 19
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, 2007 at 11:28pm
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The Aurora was in the movie Executive Decision...You'll know when you see it
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Reply #71 -
Sep 20
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, 2007 at 5:28pm
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Ashar wrote
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th
, 2007 at 11:28pm:
The Aurora was in the movie Executive Decision...You'll know when you see it
It must be real, Hollywood has made a movie about it
Matt
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Reply #72 -
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wow... some people think a aircraft this day ina age like a bomber can hit mach 20???
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Reply #73 -
Mar 12
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, 2008 at 10:24pm
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No, not a bomber, it is supposedly a spy plane.
Another reason why I don't think it exists is that its capabilities are no longer what is required of a reconnaissance aircraft. Due to the nature of current conflicts, a plane that that watch an area of a long period of time is much more valuable to us than a plane that can take a few photos and leave (possible one reason that the -71 was retired). Because of this, UAVs like the Predator and Global Hawk were developed because they can sit over a target for 12-24 hours continuously taking and transmitting real-time video... and they don't get tired.
Also, I find it highly unlikey that any manned aircraft could hit Mach 6, or anything even remotely close. The X-43 hit approximately Mach 10, but that was basically an engine with wings. I think it is impossible with current technology to achieve Mach 10 with an aircraft of significant size.
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Reply #74 -
Mar 14
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, 2008 at 1:01am
Vodka Burner
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Been studying Aurora since the late 90's. Not once, have I ever seen any true evidence of 'Aurora'.
There has been rumors of a Mach 6 plane however.
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