Simviation Forum - "Monitor Madness"

Reply #15 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:40am

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Hagar wrote on Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:36am:

Mictheslik wrote on Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:35am:

Im using an LCD monitor and it looks fine Wink

So tell me you can't see the black squares in Don's original shots. That's what a1 is talking about.

I cant see any black squares...it all blends fine...

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Reply #16 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:42am

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Mictheslik wrote on Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:40am:

Hagar wrote on Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:36am:

Mictheslik wrote on Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:35am:

Im using an LCD monitor and it looks fine Wink

So tell me you can't see the black squares in Don's original shots. That's what a1 is talking about.

I cant see any black squares...it all blends fine...

OK then. I'll crawl back in my hole. Tongue

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Reply #17 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:46am

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No hole crawling! Get back out here, Doug! Grin

That is pretty diagnostic that it's just a gamma adjustment which is needed. I can provide a link to a page with gamma info AND a freeware scale which can be saved as an image and be used to calibrate. There are also programs available which will do it for you but I think that they cost. Wink

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Reply #18 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:51am

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Post the link by all means. As my hobby is working with images I realise the importance of correct calibration. I would actually prefer mine to be a tad darker but my monitor is self-calibrating & readjusts every time it starts up. I've always said that what others can see is not necessarily the same as me. I wonder if others realise that.

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Reply #19 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:54am

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I've noticed that if I get a new monitor or change vid cards that I have to recalibrate or things are WAAAY off! Sometimes even updating a driver can do it IF you lose your calibrated settings in the process.

It's tough tweaking it by hand. Takes time and patience but it can be done and gotten pretty darn close. Also, the proper gamma used to be different for Mac and PC. Don't know if it's still that way. Most high end print stuff is processed on Macs so they have their own industry standards for gamma.

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Reply #20 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:56am

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I'm seeing the squares too, so Doug your eyesight doesn't need any adjustment Grin

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Reply #21 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:56am

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Your vid card doesn't allow you to adjust gamma? You have any way to adjust it yourself instead of having the puter do it? Shocked

Am I permitted to post a link to the page here in the forum? Not sure about the rules on that one!

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Reply #22 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:58am

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WOW! This is interesting! I had no idea that the gamma on people's monitors varied THAT much! Makes you wonder how people are seeing your images, hee, hee! Grin

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Reply #23 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 5:00am

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Kleen Harry wrote on Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:56am:

Your vid card doesn't allow you to adjust gamma? You have any way to adjust it yourself instead of having the puter do it? Shocked

Of course. I was talking aboiut the actual monitor settings. I'm pretty happy with my settings but would be interested in any way of improving it.

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Am I permitted to post a link to the page here in the forum? Not sure about the rules on that one!

Yes. Please post it.

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Reply #24 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 5:01am

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eno wrote on Aug 1^st, 2007 at 4:56am:

I'm seeing the squares too, so Doug your eyesight doesn't need any adjustment Grin

Thanks Andy. I was getting worried.

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Reply #25 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 5:05am

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You should still worry, Doug! He might just have the same disease you do! Grin

This page is pretty good:

http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints1A.html

Even if you don't actually use any of it, it's still quite interesting. Wink

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Reply #26 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 5:21am

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Kleen Harry wrote on Aug 1^st, 2007 at 5:05am:

You should still worry, Doug! He might just have the same disease you do! Grin

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This page is pretty good:

http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints1A.html

Even if you don't actually use any of it, it's still quite interesting. Wink

Thanks. I also found this. http://www.epaperpress.com/monitorcal/

I have found that it's very important to have LCD monitors positioned correctly on your desk as image quality varies considerably depending on the angle it's viewed from. For best results your eyepoint should be at an angle of 90 degrees to the screen.

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Reply #27 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 5:58am

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I can also see the squares.

On the other hand, I'm pretty convinced I have got a disease... Grin

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Reply #28 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 6:15am

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You funny, SB! Grin

Pretty interesting, Doug. The utility referred to on the page you linked to uses exactly the same scale as the page I linked to! Grin

So how is your monitor looking in terms of the gamma scale?

Yeah, I hate that off center thing about LCD's. That's part of why I stick with a CRT. Wink

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Reply #29 - Aug 1^st, 2007 at 6:29am

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Pretty interesting, Doug. The utility referred to on the page you linked to uses exactly the same scale as the page I linked to!

So how is your monitor looking in terms of the gamma scale?

I've been messing around with the black level. Think I now have it about right. Not a great deal of difference in overall image quality but those black squares in your edit are now less distinct.

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Yeah, I hate that off center thing about LCD's. That's part of why I stick with a CRT.

I suspected as much. The problem with this lark is that you have to consider what others can see in your images that you can't. Most people use LCD monitors these days so they can pick out things you won't even notice. I was amazed at the difference in image quality when I got mine. I wouldn't go back to CRT now.

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