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Jul 9th, 2007 at 11:31am
Björn   Ex Member

 
Instead of a fancy-schmanzy post just a Google link.

http://www.google.de/search?q=60+years+ak-47

Couldn't find a suitable site in english, but you get the idea.


Interestingly enough, the AK-47 is the weapon system accounting for the most kills ever. Not bombs or nukes, just a cheap rifle that even the biggest idiot can handle. No jamming, no cleaning, all it can ever stop it from shooting is a lack of ammo. Not the most accurate of weapons, but when it hits, it hits hard.
 
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Reply #1 - Jul 9th, 2007 at 12:07pm
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Seen Lord of war? You get an idea why....
 
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Reply #2 - Jul 9th, 2007 at 2:39pm
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Seen Lord of war?


Aye.

Awesome movie.
 
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Reply #3 - Jul 9th, 2007 at 8:15pm

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Greatest combat rifle ever made. Like they said Ak47s/74s will be in use long after we are dead and dust.
 

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Reply #4 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 5:56am

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PsychoDiablo wrote on Jul 9th, 2007 at 8:15pm:
Greatest combat rifle ever made. Like they said Ak47s/74s will be in use long after we are dead and dust.


It's not my first choice, but for a cheap, reliable, and an easily obtainable assault rifle, you can't beat the AK47.

But personally, I would get something with a little more accuracy and class.... Wink
 
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Reply #5 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 12:06pm

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Yea, would not mind if the army reissued m-14s, That would be cool Grin
 

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Reply #6 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 12:09pm

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PsychoDiablo wrote on Jul 9th, 2007 at 8:15pm:
Greatest combat rifle ever made. Like they said Ak47s/74s will be in use long after we are dead and dust.


It's not my first choice, but for a cheap, reliable, and an easily obtainable assault rifle, you can't beat the AK47.

But personally, I would get something with a little more accuracy and class.... Wink


I watched a history Channel program about this weapon, and accuracy was the one thing in demonstration after demonstration it lacked. Also when fired on fully automatic, it could prove to be a problem, however in what could be called muzzle to muzzle combat, it was/is the winner. Saying that being in front of a 7.62mm lump of lead in any situation is going to give you a very bad day. Over to you Andrew.

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Reply #7 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 1:44pm

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It's appeal is that it is cheap, it can get dirty, it can get beat up, and it just keeps on working.  But as was said, don't depend on accuracy.  Reminds me of the Russian PPSh, which was also cheap, could take a beating, but was NOT accurate at all.  But who needs accuracy when you are in close quarters?
 

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Reply #8 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 1:55pm

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dcunning30 wrote on Jul 10th, 2007 at 1:44pm:
It's appeal is that it is cheap, it can get dirty, it can get beat up, and it just keeps on working.  But as was said, don't depend on accuracy.  Reminds me of the Russian PPSh, which was also cheap, could take a beating, but was NOT accurate at all.  But who needs accuracy when you are in close quarters?


ppsh41 did not need to be accurate, with 1500 *i think* rof and a large magazine capacity one of those rounds is bound to hit target. Saw a weapons cache they raided near bagdad on the news, where they poled out two of those along with a number of other classic soviet and American rifles. To bad they were all destroyed soon after Cry
 

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Reply #9 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 1:56pm

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Hammering 3 100 round drums through it sets the wooden parts on fire.
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Reply #10 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 2:14pm

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When I play Call of Duty online, I always prefer the PPSh over the German MG.  I'd just keep moving and spray.  The MG was far more accurate.  But with the PPSh, but you never had to really take the time to aim, just point and squeeze the trigger.  The MG's had a really slow rate of fire in comparison to the PPSh, Sten and the Thompson.
 

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Reply #11 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 2:38pm

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dcunning30 wrote on Jul 10th, 2007 at 2:14pm:
When I play Call of Duty online, I always prefer the PPSh over the German MG.  I'd just keep moving and spray.  The MG was far more accurate.  But with the PPSh, but you never had to really take the time to aim, just point and squeeze the trigger.  The MG's had a really slow rate of fire in comparison to the PPSh, Sten and the Thompson.


the ppsh was legendary for its high rate of fire, Think it has the highest rof for regular infantry sub machine gun ever fielded. I also prefer it in cod Grin
 

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Reply #12 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 3:19pm
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But personally, I would get something with a little more accuracy and class.... Wink


Like a G-36? Grin
 
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Reply #13 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 4:46am

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Björn wrote on Jul 10th, 2007 at 3:19pm:
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But personally, I would get something with a little more accuracy and class.... Wink


Like a G-36? Grin



Or a Barrat, sitting two miles away with a cup of tea and sandwiches  Grin

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Reply #14 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 10:56am

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PsychoDiablo wrote on Jul 10th, 2007 at 2:38pm:
dcunning30 wrote on Jul 10th, 2007 at 2:14pm:
When I play Call of Duty online, I always prefer the PPSh over the German MG.  I'd just keep moving and spray.  The MG was far more accurate.  But with the PPSh, but you never had to really take the time to aim, just point and squeeze the trigger.  The MG's had a really slow rate of fire in comparison to the PPSh, Sten and the Thompson.


the ppsh was legendary for its high rate of fire, Think it has the highest rof for regular infantry sub machine gun ever fielded. I also prefer it in cod Grin



If you play cod online, what's your screen name?  I'm CrimsonMoonlight.
 

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Reply #15 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 11:32am

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Reply #16 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 2:08pm

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expat wrote on Jul 10th, 2007 at 12:09pm:
I watched a history Channel program about this weapon, and accuracy was the one thing in demonstration after demonstration it lacked. Also when fired on fully automatic, it could prove to be a problem, however in what could be called muzzle to muzzle combat, it was/is the winner. Saying that being in front of a 7.62mm lump of lead in any situation is going to give you a very bad day. Over to you Andrew.


True, I wouldn't want to be hit with a 7.62x39 round, but that's why I wear an IBA for some protection. But they don't want to be hit with my 5.56, 7.62x52 or .50 cal rounds either... Grin
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Björn wrote on Jul 10th, 2007 at 3:19pm:
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But personally, I would get something with a little more accuracy and class.... Wink


Like a G-36? Grin


An HK G-36 would be cool. It's expensive, and I hate the 5.56 round, but otherwise, it's still seems like a good weapon.

I am going to look into building a G3 rifle. It shoots the 7.62 round; it's got a longer and legal barrel, It's extremily accurate, It's a semi auto, Magazine fed, and it can be used as an assault rifle or a short-medium range sniper/hunting rifle. What's not to like? Grin
 
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Reply #17 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 3:06pm
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The weight and the all-metal ammo clips.
 
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Reply #18 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 3:13pm

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According to Wikipedia, a G3 weighs approx 9.7 pounds with a loaded magazine. Also according to Wikipedia, my M-16 weights 8.5 pounds with a loaded magazine. I don't know if my CCO makes it any heaver, but the rail system with a surefire light, and a fore grip added a few more pounds.

What's wrong with an all metal magazine?
 
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Reply #19 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 5:06pm
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You can't see how much ammo you have left. Wink
 
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Reply #20 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 5:24pm

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Björn wrote on Jul 11th, 2007 at 5:06pm:
You can't see how much ammo you have left. Wink


That's no problem. I've only used plastic mags once when shooting paint sim rounds. There aren't any ammo sight holes in my M-16 mags, and unless you count your shots, or load tracer rounds at the top, middle, and bottom of the magazine, there's no way to see how many rounds there are left. So I keep shooting untill the bolt locks to the rear... Wink
 
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Reply #21 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 6:56pm
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Kind of a disadvantage in the middle of a firefight.

The G36's mags are made of semitransparent plastic, so you always know how much ammo is in it.
 
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Reply #22 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 11:45pm

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Björn wrote on Jul 11th, 2007 at 6:56pm:
Kind of a disadvantage in the middle of a firefight.


True, but hey, if you train to work around it, and you're used to it, and it's all you've ever known, it's not too bad... Wink
 
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Reply #23 - Jul 12th, 2007 at 1:44am

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HK-416 all the way man...!

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Reply #24 - Jul 12th, 2007 at 10:26am
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True, but hey, if you train to work around it, and you're used to it, and it's all you've ever known, it's not too bad... Wink


Fair enough.
 
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Reply #25 - Jul 12th, 2007 at 11:37am

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Björn wrote on Jul 11th, 2007 at 6:56pm:
Kind of a disadvantage in the middle of a firefight.


True, but hey, if you train to work around it, and you're used to it, and it's all you've ever known, it's not too bad... Wink



When gaming, the conventional wisdom is to change to a full clip before you enter the fray.  I imagine that same advice applies to reality as well.  Can you speak to that?
 

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Reply #26 - Jul 12th, 2007 at 4:51pm
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dcunning30 wrote on Jul 12th, 2007 at 11:37am:
When gaming, the conventional wisdom is to change to a full clip before you enter the fray.  I imagine that same advice applies to reality as well.  Can you speak to that?


Of course this applies to reality as well, nonetheless is keeping track of your ammo quite important.
 
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Reply #27 - Jul 12th, 2007 at 5:00pm

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Bjorn do those plastic mags feed good? Heard somewhere that there were alot of problems with the plastic magazines, cant imagine why Undecided
 

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Reply #28 - Jul 12th, 2007 at 6:00pm
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No probs experienced.
 
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Reply #29 - Jul 12th, 2007 at 6:10pm

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Björn wrote on Jul 12th, 2007 at 4:51pm:
dcunning30 wrote on Jul 12th, 2007 at 11:37am:
When gaming, the conventional wisdom is to change to a full clip before you enter the fray.  I imagine that same advice applies to reality as well.  Can you speak to that?


Of course this applies to reality as well, nonetheless is keeping track of your ammo quite important.



Of course, but an open magazine allows dirt to get in and foul up the works.  I don't know if the risk of a fouled-up magazine is worth being able to see the rounds.
 

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Reply #30 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 8:16am

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dcunning30 wrote on Jul 12th, 2007 at 6:10pm:
Björn wrote on Jul 12th, 2007 at 4:51pm:
dcunning30 wrote on Jul 12th, 2007 at 11:37am:
When gaming, the conventional wisdom is to change to a full clip before you enter the fray.  I imagine that same advice applies to reality as well.  Can you speak to that?


Of course this applies to reality as well, nonetheless is keeping track of your ammo quite important.



Of course, but an open magazine allows dirt to get in and foul up the works.  I don't know if the risk of a fouled-up magazine is worth being able to see the rounds.


If you're dismounted and you need to reload and drop a magazine out of your weapon, you would put it back into it's ammo pouch, or if you were in a hurry, shove it into a cargo pocket or some sort of drop leg pouch
 
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Reply #31 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 8:41am
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dcunning30 wrote on Jul 12th, 2007 at 6:10pm:
Of course, but an open magazine allows dirt to get in and foul up the works.  I don't know if the risk of a fouled-up magazine is worth being able to see the rounds.


I never said the G-36's magazines were open somewhere. They're just semi-transparent.

http://www.abenteuerladen.de/images/artikelbilder/tac-a5-g36--mag1.jpg
 
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