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Jun 24th, 2007 at 7:24pm

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Today June 24 is the anniversary of the B-52 crash at Fairchild AFB. The crash was June 24 1994. All of the 4 crew members were killed at the point of impact. The reason for this crash was due to pilot error as the pilot maneuvered the aircraft over the limitations and lost control of it.  Cry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-52_aircraft_crash_at_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base
 

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Reply #1 - Jun 24th, 2007 at 11:19pm

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And today (or maybe yesterday) 2007, an F-15C Eagle crashed.
 

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Reply #2 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 11:11am

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Wow, what a collossal failure of leadership!  The pilot, "Bud" Holland should have been grounded long before that event!  That guy had a history of wrecklessness.   Undecided

Video of crash
http://www.bofunk.com/video/786/huge_plane_goes_boom_boom.html

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Reply #3 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 12:15pm

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dcunning30 wrote on Jun 25th, 2007 at 11:11am:
Wow, what a collossal failure of leadership!  The pilot, "Bud" Holland should have been grounded long before that event!  That guy had a history of wrecklessness.   Undecided

Video of crash
http://www.bofunk.com/video/786/huge_plane_goes_boom_boom.html

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There is also a video of this guy in a 52 flying map of the earth. If the camera man had not ducked, he would have been part of the radome.

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Reply #4 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 8:51pm

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Very sad... and very preventable. Many airmen would not fly with Holland. He'd openly comitted several violations in the past, putting many people in danger.
  His FO on that flight had complained about him to the top brass, and also refused to let anyone under his command fly with Holland unless he was aboard. Unfortunately, he couldn't stop Holland that time...

I guess it was a classic case of croneyism- Lt. Col. Holland was a well-known hazard, but nothing was ever done about it.
 

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Reply #5 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 8:32am
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Ouch...this was before my time, but I can still recall the event...that was an UNBELIEVABLE sight, watching the B-52 literally pivot on its wing, and flop onto the ground...
 
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Reply #6 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 11:07am

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Well, you can look at him either way...the safety hazard and an accident waiting to happen...or the dare devil pilot who took the Buff to the very edge (and beyond...his last flight) of its flight envelope.

I personally think he was one hell of a character and it was very unfortunate that he "messed up."

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Reply #7 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 2:12pm

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Stormtropper wrote on Jun 26th, 2007 at 11:07am:
Well, you can look at him either way...the safety hazard and an accident waiting to happen...or the dare devil pilot who took the Buff to the very edge (and beyond...his last flight) of its flight envelope.

I personally think he was one hell of a character and it was very unfortunate that he "messed up."

...records (and rules) are meant to be broken Wink




He was an accident that was waiting to happen, and then did.  Lucky he only took out his crew and not a house or school or troops on the ground or at his last display , half spectators. You need to read a bit more about this guy before you pat him on the back.

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Reply #8 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 4:17pm

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That man flew his B-52 as if it was a F-16...you can't call him a bad pilot.
 

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Reply #9 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 8:17pm

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Stormtropper wrote on Jun 26th, 2007 at 4:17pm:
That man flew his B-52 as if it was a F-16...you can't call him a bad pilot.
Shocked  He sailed his aircraft carrier like a submarine......you can't call him a bad captain. Grin Grin Grin

P.S. The reality situation was a very sad event but I couldn't help but note the glaring reflection of that statement.



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Reply #10 - Jun 27th, 2007 at 7:02am

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Stormtropper wrote on Jun 26th, 2007 at 4:17pm:
That man flew his B-52 as if it was a F-16...you can't call him a bad pilot.


And that is why he is..........well, dead!

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Reply #11 - Jun 28th, 2007 at 8:00am

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Quote:
'without anyone saying anything to him about it'
'took no action'
'took no formal action'
'apparently took no action'
'did not...take any kind of formal action'
'did not do anything about it'
'told the crew member to conceal the evidence'
'I don't want to know anything'
'neither took any action'
'took no action'


I would say it wasn't only the pilot twas at fault here.  There are at least ten separate incidents that were completely ignored by the Air Force.  His crew even refused to fly with him, which should have sent up more red signals than the Fourth of July, and the answer?  His C.O. flew with him... Tongue
 

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Reply #12 - Jun 28th, 2007 at 12:28pm

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Stormtropper wrote on Jun 26th, 2007 at 4:17pm:
That man flew his B-52 as if it was a F-16...you can't call him a bad pilot.


He routinely flew it outside of it's operating envelope with no benefit in return.  That's precicely why he was a bad pilot.  It's not like he was at Edwards, running tests.
 

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Reply #13 - Jun 29th, 2007 at 6:12pm
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sad day, an idiot being an idiot kills himself and the crew and for what! sweet F/A he deserves no respect in my eyes
 
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Reply #14 - Jun 29th, 2007 at 9:48pm

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beaky wrote on Jun 25th, 2007 at 8:51pm:
Very sad... and very preventable. Many airmen would not fly with Holland. He'd openly comitted several violations in the past, putting many people in danger.
  His FO on that flight had complained about him to the top brass, and also refused to let anyone under his command fly with Holland unless he was aboard. Unfortunately, he couldn't stop Holland that time...

I guess it was a classic case of croneyism- Lt. Col. Holland was a well-known hazard, but nothing was ever done about it.


A case of negligence on the part of those who handed him authority, and his peers for not taking more forceful action...

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Reply #15 - Jul 2nd, 2007 at 3:27pm

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Hello. Resgistered here just to add my 2 cents. The Copilot of this flight was Lt. Col. Mark McGeehan, a close friend of my father's. He did everything he could to get this rouge pilot grounded, but was unsuccessful. He instead consistently penciled himself in as co-pilot to prevent any of the men in his squadron from flying with him. When he perished due to this man's nerve, his family suffered greatly. His sons watched it all happen. To commend this man for being a risk-taker is nonsense. He took 3 other men down with him.
 
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Reply #16 - Jul 2nd, 2007 at 4:15pm

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Welcome to SimV. Don't take the views in this thread as a blanket example of what you would find here. We are a friendly bunch really.


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Reply #17 - Jul 7th, 2007 at 9:21am

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Artemis08 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2007 at 3:27pm:
The Copilot of this flight was Lt. Col. Mark McGeehan, a close friend of my father's. He did everything he could to get this rouge pilot grounded, but was unsuccessful. He instead consistently penciled himself in as co-pilot to prevent any of the men in his squadron from flying with him. When he perished due to this man's nerve, his family suffered greatly. His sons watched it all happen. To commend this man for being a risk-taker is nonsense. He took 3 other men down with him.


Very sad to hear indeed. The fact that (as you say) he [i]"consistently penciled himself in as co-pilot to prevent any of the men in his squadron from flying with him"[i/], again is testament to the fact that it appears his (Lt Col. McGeehan's) superiors did not give him the support he needed to be able to stand up to his "Boss" and say enough is enough. He should never have had to put himself in that position. Sadly it appears he had to, with tragic consequences. Hopefully the lessons were learnt, and 4 men (3 completely innocently) did not die in vain...
 
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Reply #18 - Jul 12th, 2007 at 3:55am

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This will show you what kind of pilot he was and how he routinely violated regualtions.



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Reply #19 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 2:31pm

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Artemis08 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2007 at 3:27pm:
Hello. Resgistered here just to add my 2 cents. The Copilot of this flight was Lt. Col. Mark McGeehan, a close friend of my father's. He did everything he could to get this rouge pilot grounded, but was unsuccessful. He instead consistently penciled himself in as co-pilot to prevent any of the men in his squadron from flying with him. When he perished due to this man's nerve, his family suffered greatly. His sons watched it all happen. To commend this man for being a risk-taker is nonsense. He took 3 other men down with him.



'Nuff said.
 

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Reply #20 - Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:08pm

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Amazing how even an experienced Air Force pilot can forget some of the basic rules of aerodynamics, namely the overbanking effect, where once you bank an aircraft past a certain angle, it will continue banking and roll you on your back.  Add in an aircraft with spoilerons for bank control and you get....
 
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Reply #21 - Mar 1st, 2008 at 5:27am

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DaveSims wrote on Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:08pm:
Amazing how even an experienced Air Force pilot can forget some of the basic rules of aerodynamics,


I think forget is the wrong word. Maybe "show complete and utterly negligent disregard for..." would be more appropriate.
 
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Reply #22 - Mar 22nd, 2008 at 6:42am

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And even saying that you are being too kind.
 
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Reply #23 - Mar 22nd, 2008 at 2:01pm

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Papa9571 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2008 at 6:42am:
And even saying that you are being too kind.


Quite.
 
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Reply #24 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 9:16am

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Artemis08 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2007 at 3:27pm:
Hello. Resgistered here just to add my 2 cents. The Copilot of this flight was Lt. Col. Mark McGeehan, a close friend of my father's. He did everything he could to get this rouge pilot grounded, but was unsuccessful. He instead consistently penciled himself in as co-pilot to prevent any of the men in his squadron from flying with him. When he perished due to this man's nerve, his family suffered greatly. His sons watched it all happen. To commend this man for being a risk-taker is nonsense. He took 3 other men down with him.

THAT is leadership, and his is a name I won't soon forget.

It is incredibly uninformed to say "He flew the BUFF like a viper, so he was a good pilot."  Holland was both a bad pilot AND a bad airman (the latter being more important than the former).

The logical fallacy there has already been thoroughly vetted, but almost all posters have missed the single most important point--the BUFF is a CREWED aircraft.  The Viper isn't.  In the F-16, if you do something stupid, the ground should survive you just fine.  In the B-52, as aircraft commander, you are responsible not only for the integrity of the aircraft but the lives of the people within it. 

As a pilot, my single greatest fear isn't killing myself because I did something stupid.  Oh well, Darwin at work.  It's taking other people with me.  And it should have been LtCol Holland's also.
 
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Stormtropper wrote on Jun 26th, 2007 at 11:07am:
Well, you can look at him either way...the safety hazard and an accident waiting to happen...or the dare devil pilot who took the Buff to the very edge (and beyond...his last flight) of its flight envelope.

I personally think he was one hell of a character and it was very unfortunate that he "messed up."

...records (and rules) are meant to be broken Wink

Let us all hope you never get to fly anything but flight sim.
Because if you think like that one day you to will end up just like him.
 

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