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Iwo Jima is no more (Read 2017 times)
Jun 20th, 2007 at 9:12pm

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Sulpher Island is once again its native name, Iwo To. Ah, such stumbling blocks. Films need to be renamed, like the The Sands of Sulpher; new issues like A To Hold to Victory.
Hmmn, Lone Ranger, did TonTo have a dad or brother named Iwo?
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Reply #1 - Jun 20th, 2007 at 11:22pm

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To Americans it will always be Iwo Jima until the next PC generation.

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It’s like the Vietnam vets still calling Ho Chi Minh city Saigon. You can change the name but you can’t change the memory of people who lived through that experience.
 
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Reply #2 - Jun 21st, 2007 at 11:46am

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Reply #3 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 9:20am

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Webb wrote on Jun 20th, 2007 at 11:22pm:
To Americans it will always be Iwo Jima until the next PC generation.

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It’s like the Vietnam vets still calling Ho Chi Minh city Saigon. You can change the name but you can’t change the memory of people who lived through that experience.


What is PC about this. Japan incorrectly translated the name and America used said incorrect name.

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Reply #4 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 11:11am

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expat wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 9:20am:
Webb wrote on Jun 20th, 2007 at 11:22pm:
To Americans it will always be Iwo Jima until the next PC generation.

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It’s like the Vietnam vets still calling Ho Chi Minh city Saigon. You can change the name but you can’t change the memory of people who lived through that experience.


What is PC about this. Japan incorrectly translated the name and America used said incorrect name.

Matt



So when are you going to start calling the islands by their correct name - Las Malvinas?

 

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Reply #5 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 11:49am

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Felix/FFDS wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 11:11am:
expat wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 9:20am:
Webb wrote on Jun 20th, 2007 at 11:22pm:
To Americans it will always be Iwo Jima until the next PC generation.

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It’s like the Vietnam vets still calling Ho Chi Minh city Saigon. You can change the name but you can’t change the memory of people who lived through that experience.


What is PC about this. Japan incorrectly translated the name and America used said incorrect name.

Matt



So when are you going to start calling the islands by their correct name - Las Malvinas?




Whist personally I don't care what they are called, as long as the Islanders have the right to determine their own future, the name Faulkland Islands is far older than Malvinas. In 1690 John Strong heading a British expedition made the first recorded landing in the Falklands. The British claimed the islands for the crown and named the sound between the two main islands after Viscount Falkland, a British naval official

It is not until 1820 that the Buenos Aires government, which had declared its independence from Spain in 1816, first proclaims its sovereignty over the Falklands.

Also the name Malvinas is of French origin: In 1764 French navigator Louis-Antoine de Bougainville founds the first permanent settlement, on East Falkland. During this time, a French fishery is manned by people from St. Malo, "Iles Malouines" from which the Argentine name "Islas Malvinas" is derived

So as the Islands already had a name for just short of 150 years before Argentine came up with the name Malvinas, I would say that the present name is the correct on. Not only that, but when Argentine was under Spanish control, both nations where happy with the name Falklands. 

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Reply #6 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 12:03pm

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Point taken, of course.  For the US psyche, however, the island of "Iwo To"  will remain "Iwo Jima".

MAybe one of these days there will be a movement to correct the injustice of naming two continents after a cartographer that, not given adequate instructions, apparently named the continents after himself.
 

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Reply #7 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 1:34pm
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Felix/FFDS wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 12:03pm:
Point taken, of course.  For the US psyche, however, the island of "Iwo To"  will remain "Iwo Jima".

MAybe one of these days there will be a movement to correct the injustice of naming two continents after a cartographer that, not given adequate instructions, apparently named the continents after himself.


hey, whoever gets their first names it.

 
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Reply #8 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 3:41pm

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Felix/FFDS wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 12:03pm:
Point taken, of course.  For the US psyche, however, the island of "Iwo To"  will remain "Iwo Jima".
Maybe one of these days there will be a movement to correct the injustice of naming two continents after a cartographer that, not given adequate instructions, apparently named the continents after himself.

hey, whoever gets their first names it.
Good -- this isn't New Hampshire, it's Winnipesaukee (= land around the lake) and there are no Americas. Americus had his first name tagged onto what he'd never really seen, to say nothing of even Europeans who'd reconnoitered more of the area before such naming was done.
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Reply #9 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 10:39pm

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expat wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 9:20am:
Webb wrote on Jun 20th, 2007 at 11:22pm:
To Americans it will always be Iwo Jima until the next PC generation.

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It’s like the Vietnam vets still calling Ho Chi Minh city Saigon. You can change the name but you can’t change the memory of people who lived through that experience.


What is PC about this. Japan incorrectly translated the name and America used said incorrect name.

Matt


Back up a second.  I said the next PC generation will no longer remember Iwo Jima.

For the past 10 years or so Japan has actively attempted to play down its involvement in the instigation of WW2.

The renaming of this island is another step.  If the island of Iwo Jima no longer exists the battle that took place on that island, which the Japanese lost, will fade from memory.

If Japan succeeds in its rewriting of history future history books will read something like:

"World War II started as a military reaction by Germany and Japan against the imperialist policies of the United States ..."
 
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Reply #10 - Jun 24th, 2007 at 4:55am

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Webb wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 10:39pm:
expat wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 9:20am:
Webb wrote on Jun 20th, 2007 at 11:22pm:
To Americans it will always be Iwo Jima until the next PC generation.

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Quote:
It’s like the Vietnam vets still calling Ho Chi Minh city Saigon. You can change the name but you can’t change the memory of people who lived through that experience.


What is PC about this. Japan incorrectly translated the name and America used said incorrect name.

Matt


Back up a second.  I said the next PC generation will no longer remember Iwo Jima.

For the past 10 years or so Japan has actively attempted to play down its involvement in the instigation of WW2.

The renaming of this island is another step.  If the island of Iwo Jima no longer exists the battle that took place on that island, which the Japanese lost, will fade from memory.

If Japan succeeds in its rewriting of history future history books will read something like:

"World War II started as a military reaction by Germany and Japan against the imperialist policies of the United States ..."



Now that is a different kettle of fish to the direction the thread had taken. Yes, you are right, Japan is trying to rewrite the history books by stealth. Ironically, by the older generation and not the present one. As many here already know I am married to a German national (and live here). My wife's attitude and that of all of her generation and friends is, that it has nothing to do with her/them, don't forget, but move on, it is well over half a century ago, get over it. And people think that Germans are stiff, Japanese are even worse.

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Reply #11 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 11:25am

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expat wrote on Jun 24th, 2007 at 4:55am:
Webb wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 10:39pm:
expat wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 9:20am:
Webb wrote on Jun 20th, 2007 at 11:22pm:
To Americans it will always be Iwo Jima until the next PC generation.

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Quote:
It’s like the Vietnam vets still calling Ho Chi Minh city Saigon. You can change the name but you can’t change the memory of people who lived through that experience.


What is PC about this. Japan incorrectly translated the name and America used said incorrect name.

Matt


Back up a second.  I said the next PC generation will no longer remember Iwo Jima.

For the past 10 years or so Japan has actively attempted to play down its involvement in the instigation of WW2.

The renaming of this island is another step.  If the island of Iwo Jima no longer exists the battle that took place on that island, which the Japanese lost, will fade from memory.

If Japan succeeds in its rewriting of history future history books will read something like:

"World War II started as a military reaction by Germany and Japan against the imperialist policies of the United States ..."



Now that is a different kettle of fish to the direction the thread had taken. Yes, you are right, Japan is trying to rewrite the history books by stealth.


I think that probably has more to do with it than anything else.  I just finished "So Sad To Fall In Battle" by Kumiko Kakehashi, the book that the movie "Letters..." was based off.  The Japanese military had no interest up till the movie's release to change the name, although they had many opportunities to do so.  I suspect "Flags..." and "Letters..." was cause to start up discussions in Japan about it's participation in the Pacific War that would prove quite embarrasing.  Especially, what was refreshingly frank was the author's assessment of the Japanese High Command's inept and criminally incompetent conduct during the war.  Essentially, she went into specific detail what many historians, including Edwin Hoyt have observed in general:  The Japanese military leaders wrote off Iwo Jima before the battle had even started.  They doomed 22,000 Japanese men to their certain and pointless deaths at the stroke of a pen and a nod of agreement.
 

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Reply #12 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 2:13pm

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