discombobulated wrote on Apr 28^th, 2008 at 10:22pm:


Not 'bent out of shape' at all about 'your' critique.

 It so happens that I agree that the Soundtrack of FH&C was somewhat too 'heavy' on the Music, and that there were actually several scenes which did not need any music whatsoever.  Likewise, the final Sound Mix was not as perfect as desired. A Group project which took two years to complete, many decisions were made by concensus and compromise.  'Your' critique of the Soundtrack , therefore, has some merit....and several of the Wingmen would agree, in general, with some of your comments.  However, FH&C is definitely no "Music Video".

 In my first post in response to your "anonimus" post, I recommended "Not my Time to Die" and  "Brothers in Arms" as two good movies with non-Music Video approaches to their Soundtracks....both are somewhat dialogue-driven, rather than music or SoundFX.  FSM has a large variety of movies, and it is possible to see there the progression of the IL2 Movie-Making community...the earliest movies in the 2002 and 2003 were, in fact, characterized by the simple 'pasting' of a prerecorded Song onto the video...and these did have a music video feel.  Over the years, movie soundtracks became much more sophisticated in terms of sound FX, music, and spoken dialogue.  "Not my Time to Die" produced in 2007 has perhaps the best Sound FX and Final Sound Mix yet.

 My disagreement has been with your attempt to make it appear that many Simviation Forum members were in agreement with "you"...rather than you expressing your single individual Opinion and then sticking with it or discussing it, etc.  That would have been reasonable.   As I noted earlier, there have been many hundreds of  reviews/critiques of the movies indexed at Flight Sim Movies website.  Those hundreds of reviews came from active members of the various Flight Sim Forums, most notably at the  UBIsoft IL2 Movie Makers Forum and the SimHQ 1946 Forum among others.

You have expressed One person's Opinion...not the Opinons of four or more people sharing similar views.  Thank you for your single critique/opinion.  I'll add it to the bottom of the list below...something like "...I viewed 20 minutes into the video movie…The continual audio chords in the foreground throughout the video really worked on my nerves. … the sound editor failed in this respect..."  Which of your four screenames would you like me to use, "anonimus" or one of the others?

FYI...Here's a sampling of some of the other opinions about FH&C...[Note...justone opinion per person]:

Gunner V               a wonderful hour of entertainment. That was absolutely incredible!
Snakeyes               a brilliant, wonderful and thoughtful movie!
No457_Squog       jaw-droppingly good!
Kristorf                  a brilliant film well worth the wait
BalDaddy_123UK    superb cinematography and virtual flying skills
Moe                          very touching and inspiring
Nico                         a bloody good watch and a superb film !
mbfRoy                    Outstanding piece of work!
phe259                     without doubt one of the most amazing films I have ever watched
                                one hell of a movie  

No1_Reggie              emotion it creates is incredible  
                                Film of the Year without a doubt     The story...is gripping


RAF_AbNrml2006      a ground breaking movie

Vmf513_Smokey       amazing and jaw dropping

Big_TFO_Gas           ...masterpeice in my eyes

triad773                     A real winner!

wolfbics                     Absolutely superb

-HH- Beebop             the best IL-2 film ever made  
                                  story is engrossing
                                 This film should be shown in theaters.
                                 I was on the edge of my seat
                                 there were tears in my eyes    
                                100 Stars!

DD_Shadow            I'm speechless
                              Absolutely astounding

Pigeon                     best machinima I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot!
                              brought tears to my eyes.    

Rake72                   climax was superb
MB_Avro_UK        Superb...Loved every minute!

Roblex                     I had a lump in my throat and moist eyes at the end.
                               fantastic!

FA_Razor                Un-Freaking-Believable! In a class of its own. Absolutely fantastic.

Jediteo                     Incredible movie
SeaVee                   Absolutely fantastic.  I actually got choked up

triniscourge              the creme de la creme of machinima
                              has my vote for picture of the year

HairPlug                  Best machinima I have ever seen! Bravo!
                              Scores a 10/10 in all catagories

Maniac ~VVV~      a must see and a look into the future of team Machinima.
                              ...screenplay is dead on and inspiring
                              What a story!    
                              ...original score done for this film is amazing

Woody                   absolutely amazing production.
StRuPiE                  a true piece of art!      
                          ...one of the finest historical event to script conversions I have ever seen.
                          ...the last 15 mins of the movie were just brilliant!
                         ... kept me on the edge of my seat the whole time.
                           the best original score I have ever heard in a machinima/amateur movie
                           Two thumbs up! Best flightsim machinima I have seen.

Solid_Snake         This movie will make you cry, its so bloody good!

phe259                 without doubt one of the most amazing films I have ever watched
                            I  had a lump in my throat
                            ...one hell of a movie

Rudi_Jaeger          Truly a monumental piece of work

JackPof                 best film ever made on IL2

Tromplamort          an extraordinary story without any boring second!
EAF51_MonsTTer   Absolutely impeccable...both emotionally, historically and technically!

Stuntman               enjoyed every tiny nano-second! it was marvelous!

syste                     There is no word for this! Definitely the best machinima I've ever seen

Mr Sarkey             Excellent, what a story!
Long nez                C'est magnifique!!!
hms_endeavor        Amazing video. Incredible!

 Dxvid                 an emotional story with just the right amount of tact and reserve
                           Great stuff

 Peppy                 best machinima film I've ever seen
                           10 out 10 for this one.

Mallory               Encore chapeau-bas au concepteurs
                          Je m'incline respectueusement très bas Aieuh

 puppydog1         spot on
                           the pilots are the bravest Ii ever saw

Legend               Oh! My! God!  That was incredible!

Ernst_Rohr           fantastic piece of work

alkolica             I have poor english and I wanna say only one thing I known:   "Outstanding...!!!"
skimbo             Absolutely fan-bloody-tastic!  If this doesn't win some awards at the                 machinima film festivals then I'll eat my own head.

Gunny               Greatest video I've ever seen as a documentary to a true story...
                        ...Anyone who likes WWII should see this

BlueLove          Absolutely Amazing!

tfogas               I hail all who created this masterpiece, it surely is a machinima work of art.
                       
tfogas             fantastic storyline...
                     .....enjoyable to the last second.

canuck           a massively ambitious undertaking
                    an important record of courage, that honors the heros of this amazing true story...

                   ...the original scores are the strongest and best scores I have ever heard in Machinima movies.

                    ...an immense achievement, once again raising the bar for machinima to new levels.

j_ mackay      A mega-aviation machinima movie
                   ... incredible movie
                   ...has the highest production standards of any machinima video I've yet seen.
                   Original music score and artwork by world-class aviation artist Jim Dietz are among the many things that make this production first class.
                   First and foremost, it's a fantastic story, well told. I found myself standing and cheering at the dramatic end...

bigtabs         ...a  surprisingly touching film.
                    ...an involving story...drew me in...

murph           a truly fantastic story told in an entertaining and moving fashion
nittens            The music was fantastic and the cinematography was stunning.
                     Great voice overs as well. It was like watching a feature film.

Peppy           really top notch
                  ...final product looks like it came out of a studio

gregoryp       well done movie. It gets a thumbs up and 4 stars out of 4.

Shrenik          Awesome graphics and screenplay

GunnyMac     Absolutely an IL2 masterpiece.
Spiny            Loved it! ...an excellent achievement.

JackPof               ....simply the best IL2 film I ever saw
                            ...touching, exciting and awesome work

WWSandman          ...easily the best virtual movie I've seen

AirTramp               ...awesome movie...

Obie303             ...fantastic film...
                         ...looks fantastic on widescreen TV

JimK                     ...incredible production...an unbelievable video....
                            ...one of the finest productions I have seen...
Stormtrooper        ...a great story....two thumbs up

Heini von Seppel      ...deeply impressed by...a lifetime achievement.
                               ...impressive work with the sim engine, the sound, the video, the storyboard and the added 3D.

                               ...Jolly good show...

nicotrial                   Wow...amazing!!!!!
                              ...awsome great job
                              ...the story was great

Jib02                     ...I had some tears at the end. Very well done.
                            ...a masterful work...Good Show

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It is your god given right to like or hate any movie Mr. troll #5.

As far as sitting through every movie myself...sure I have fallen asleep on many (paid for a ticket to see it) movie.

This movie is free of charge to you and for everyone else. 
The 9 people who help make this movie did it out of love of the Flight Sim they fly and wanting share their creative efforts in making a film.

You say you hate it...fine...please tell why you hated it??  Audio portion again?

Talking about background music or music scores.  I will agree with you that I don't necessary like music through out any film/movie period.

Be as it may...we learned from our mistakes from making virtual films and hopefully our next film will be a lot better.

This was my second movie where I was the SFX Sound Editor/Sound Foley Editor for FH&C.  My job was simply to add all the real SFX, and ambiance sounds.  I was an rookie for this film and I know I made many many mistakes. 

I was not the final mixer when it came to balancing the SFX sounds with the music score however.  Blackace was and he did this best that he could.

Bottom line we (Wingman Productions guys), are proud on what we accomplished on this film and

no one here

can take that away from us.


Best Regards

I just watched Faith, Hope, and Charity.  By far, it is the best video I have ever seen made with any flight simulator.  Yes, at times, the background music was a little too powerful.  But it was at all times appropriate and did match the mood and scenes of the film. 

Speaking from personal experience, it is often very difficult to get the audio balance you intend.  You think you have it right and after rendering, it comes out differently that what you wanted. 

That aside, this is a monumental effort and anyone that is not tremendously impressed had best be able to show a better video.  Otherwise, their credibility is going to be more than suspect. 

As far as I am concerned, this video is a 10 all the way.  The features of IL2 are exploited beyond anything I would have believed possible.  In fact, there were many features there that I did not know existed.  These guys need to make a "How it was done" video for the rest of us.

Critics are permitted here but perhaps when you think "Moron idiot" is not an insult, you are not a critic but simply someone working at being as obnoxious as possible.

When have you ever heard Ebert use such terms.  FYI, he has reviewed amateur films and student productions.  Apparently you are as uninformed as first appears.  But facts have no relevance when your only intent is to insult and attempt to intimidate.

Krauthammer wrote on May 14^th, 2008 at 9:46am: