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Reply #15 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 7:50am

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spitfire boy wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 6:29am:
WWWWWWWWWWRONG!!!!!!!!

contrary to popular belief, BA operated concorde with huge profitability for lengthy periods of time, including after the concorde crash. What did for it was Airbus' cutting of replacement part supply.


Mmm, but that's a lot easier when you virtually didn't have to pay for the aircraft in the first place, and when tickets were generally several times times the price of a normal economy of business class fair across the pond. I expect if they (AF and BA) had paid cost price for the aircraft and its development, they may have made a little less of a profit to say the least!
 
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Reply #16 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 7:53am

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Charlie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 7:50am:
spitfire boy wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 6:29am:
WWWWWWWWWWRONG!!!!!!!!

contrary to popular belief, BA operated concorde with huge profitability for lengthy periods of time, including after the concorde crash. What did for it was Airbus' cutting of replacement part supply.


Mmm, but that's a lot easier when you virtually didn't have to pay for the aircraft in the first place, and when tickets were generally several times times the price of a normal economy of business class fair across the pond. I expect if they (AF and BA) had paid cost price for the aircraft and its development, they may have made a little less of a profit to say the least!


The popular conception that BA bought their last concorde for £1 is also untrue!!
 

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Reply #17 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 8:01am

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spitfire boy wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 7:53am:
The popular conception that BA bought their last concorde for £1 is also untrue!!


That may be so, as most stories like that are, but I doubt they paid anywhere near what could be considered a realistic commercial price for the aircraft (in fact, having looked it up, about £20m). Looking at rough figures, development cost over a billion pounds at original prices, of which the airlines then paid just under £300K for the 16 aircraft (with BA's last two being bought off the shelf for a mininal price).
 
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Reply #18 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 8:30am

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Charlie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 8:01am:
spitfire boy wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 7:53am:
The popular conception that BA bought their last concorde for £1 is also untrue!!


That may be so, as most stories like that are, but I doubt they paid anywhere near what could be considered a realistic commercial price for the aircraft (in fact, having looked it up, about £20m). Looking at rough figures, development cost over a billion pounds at original prices, of which the airlines then paid just under £300K for the 16 aircraft (with BA's last two being bought off the shelf for a mininal price).


Not sure on that one... anyway, point is concorde wasn't necessarily an unprofitable venture. The airlines certainly benefitted, and whilst I'm not sure of the figures, it may well be that BA have made more money out of concorde that their 7 concordes would have cost at normal prices.
 

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Reply #19 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 8:33am

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spitfire boy wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 8:30am:
Not sure on that one... anyway, point is concorde wasn't necessarily an unprofitable venture.


For the airlines it was certainly profitable... Grin For the British and French goverments who covered the deficit, probably not! Grin
 
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Reply #20 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 8:42am

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Charlie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 8:33am:
For the airlines it was certainly profitable... Grin For the British and French goverments who covered the deficit, probably not! Grin

Make that the long-suffering British & French taxpayers, including me. Governments have no funds of their own. Tongue
 

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Reply #21 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 8:43am

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Hagar wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 8:42am:
Charlie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 8:33am:
For the airlines it was certainly profitable... Grin For the British and French goverments who covered the deficit, probably not! Grin

Make that the long-suffering British & French taxpayers, including me. Governments have no funds of their own. Tongue


Good point, well made! Smiley
 
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Reply #22 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 10:49am

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I find it funny on SimV how a topic about the A380 could turn into an argument about Concorde.  Grin
 

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Reply #23 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 11:07am
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Anark wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 10:49am:
I find it funny on SimV how a topic about the A380 could turn into an argument about Concorde.  Grin

At least the thread went into a topic that is acutally interesting. Wink
 
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Reply #24 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 11:38am

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Anark wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 10:49am:
I find it funny on SimV how a topic about the A380 could turn into an argument about Concorde.  Grin



I was just thinking the same thing! Grin
 
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Reply #25 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 12:26pm
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SimViation = Off-topic heaven
 
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Reply #26 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 1:36pm

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Björn wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 12:26pm:
SimViation = Off-topic heaven


We should get Ronnie Corbett to do one of his monologues!!! Grin

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Reply #27 - Jun 23rd, 2007 at 1:42pm

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Björn wrote on Jun 23rd, 2007 at 12:26pm:
SimViation = Off-topic heaven


How to make a simple informative topic (A380 to Brussels) into an informative discussion on the merits of Ronnie Corbett, via the financial and political background of the procurement of Concorde.

That's what makes us unique! Grin
 
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