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Jun 15th, 2007 at 11:33am

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What's Boeing going to do after the 797?  would they go on into the 800's?

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Reply #1 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 4:01pm

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The rumor is that 8 will be the way to go.  One popular theory is that The Aircraft companies have realized that 8 is lucky in Asian culture, and given the size of the Asian market, have been putting a lot of 8s into designators.  787-8, 747-8, A350-800, A380-800, etc. Its all up for debate.  If they go with the 8, im hoping it will be a 8_7 pattern.  I still like the way ending with 7 sounds.  Plus Boeing was ending in 7s before they were starting with them to.
 

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Reply #2 - Jun 16th, 2007 at 1:11pm

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I don't think they're too worried. The 797 may be a little time yet... Smiley
 
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Reply #3 - Jun 17th, 2007 at 3:49am

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Time will come and go, so eventualy they will go into the 800 range, i suppose. Though they could also got for a other last digit. Given that they can do a 10 x 10 x 10 = 1000 a thousand different aircraft types with a 3 letter combination, then they can add the different versions behind, ranging up to another 1000, so a 1000 x 1000 = a million. So yeah, not too much to worry about if we would follow sheer statistics.
 
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Reply #4 - Jun 17th, 2007 at 9:26pm

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pepper_airborne wrote on Jun 17th, 2007 at 3:49am:
Given that they can do a 10 x 10 x 10 = 1000 a thousand different aircraft types with a 3 letter combination,.



Why don't I expect to see a "Boeing GTO" or "Boeing SLK" anytime soon?

Then again, they may re-use numbers, like the Boeing 717 ..  Wink

 

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Reply #5 - Jun 17th, 2007 at 9:46pm

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Charlie wrote on Jun 16th, 2007 at 1:11pm:
I don't think they're too worried. The 797 may be a little time yet... Smiley


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Reply #6 - Jun 18th, 2007 at 2:57am
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797 hasn't been launched yet though...
 
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Reply #7 - Jun 18th, 2007 at 10:52am

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Zerotime wrote on Jun 18th, 2007 at 2:57am:
797 hasn't been launched yet though...


That's based on reports from sources inside Boeing as well as considering that the 787 and 748 will both be in service by that time, as well as all three 787 variants will be fully developed, if not in service.
 

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Reply #8 - Jun 18th, 2007 at 11:16am

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Once upon a time, there were Boeing 1, and 40, and 247, and 377... After 377, they decided to continue with 7x7 for civil planes, and reserved 4xx, 5xx and 6xx for various military products. There are a plenty of Boeing 464-s flying.

Was Boeing 8xx also reserved and in use, or is it free to be assigned when Boeing runs out of 7x7?
 
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Reply #9 - Jun 19th, 2007 at 5:33am

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Felix/FFDS wrote on Jun 17th, 2007 at 9:26pm:
pepper_airborne wrote on Jun 17th, 2007 at 3:49am:
Given that they can do a 10 x 10 x 10 = 1000 a thousand different aircraft types with a 3 letter combination,.



Why don't I expect to see a "Boeing GTO" or "Boeing SLK" anytime soon?

Then again, they may re-use numbers, like the Boeing 717 ..  Wink



I actualy meant number, though letters wouldnt be bad either, that would give you a 26 X 26 X 26 = 17576 combo
 
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Reply #10 - Jun 20th, 2007 at 4:41pm
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bok269 wrote on Jun 15th, 2007 at 4:01pm:
The rumor is that 8 will be the way to go.  One popular theory is that The Aircraft companies have realized that 8 is lucky in Asian culture


I know this is widely accepted throughout aviation but I find it rather bemusing.. Would an Asian carrier honestly choose one aircraft over another purely based on a number 8 being included in its name?

If Boeing make a flying brick that burns 1 tonne of fuel every Minute and carries 4 passengers, and is named the Boeing 888 are they going to choose that over something with better fuel burn, simply because of the number 8?

I'm sorry but I think that this number 8 business is bullcrap quite rather.

If there were 2 identical aircraft, with exactly the same specs, it would seem marginally more believable but other than that I'm not buying it...

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Reply #11 - Jun 20th, 2007 at 8:19pm

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Quote:
bok269 wrote on Jun 15th, 2007 at 4:01pm:
The rumor is that 8 will be the way to go.  One popular theory is that The Aircraft companies have realized that 8 is lucky in Asian culture


I know this is widely accepted throughout aviation but I find it rather bemusing.. Would an Asian carrier honestly choose one aircraft over another purely based on a number 8 being included in its name?

If Boeing make a flying brick that burns 1 tonne of fuel every Minute and carries 4 passengers, and is named the Boeing 888 are they going to choose that over something with better fuel burn, simply because of the number 8?

I'm sorry but I think that this number 8 business is bullcrap quite rather.

If there were 2 identical aircraft, with exactly the same specs, it would seem marginally more believable but other than that I'm not buying it...

Alex


I don't think that whether there is an 8 in the name really would make that much of a difference, but when the airlines are marketing their new plane in advertisements, having an 8 in the name could be beneficial.  Especially for first time flyers that may be apprehensive.
 

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Reply #12 - Jun 21st, 2007 at 7:35am
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747-8 has the 8 to signify its simularity to the 787. As with A350.
 
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Reply #13 - Jun 21st, 2007 at 11:35am

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Zerotime wrote on Jun 21st, 2007 at 7:35am:
747-8 has the 8 to signify its simularity to the 787. As with A350.


Correct.  However, there could be other influences.  Key word being could.
 

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Reply #14 - Jul 16th, 2007 at 7:10am

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Quote:
bok269 wrote on Jun 15th, 2007 at 4:01pm:
The rumor is that 8 will be the way to go.  One popular theory is that The Aircraft companies have realized that 8 is lucky in Asian culture


I know this is widely accepted throughout aviation but I find it rather bemusing.. Would an Asian carrier honestly choose one aircraft over another purely based on a number 8 being included in its name?

If Boeing make a flying brick that burns 1 tonne of fuel every Minute and carries 4 passengers, and is named the Boeing 888 are they going to choose that over something with better fuel burn, simply because of the number 8?

I'm sorry but I think that this number 8 business is bullcrap quite rather.

If there were 2 identical aircraft, with exactly the same specs, it would seem marginally more believable but other than that I'm not buying it...

Alex



I think if you are using the number 8 (or any other naming scheme) as the sole reason why an aircraft is purchased, then I would agree that that seems highly improbable (I think you used the technical term 'bullcrap').

However, that is not to say that naming conventions that weigh cultural considerations (among other things) have no place in marketing strategy.  Without a doubt, names for new products are carefully considered, and woe to the company that does not consider the impact their name will have on sales in their international markets (an anecdotal example would be the Chevy Nova and Mexico).  It is probably a fair assumption that Boeing did not pick the name 'Dreamliner' out of a hat filled with other options such as 'Baconliner', 'Flying Death Tube', or 'Bullcrapliner'.  One hopes that whoever within Boeing is responsible for such decisions did not tempt fate in such a manner (though '787 Flying Death Tube' could have been marketable to various amusement ride theme parks, but '787 Baconliner' would probably be a no-sell for many Middle East markets, not to mention rich cardio-vascular surgeons).

As an anthropologist, I can say that cultural considerations are given to international marketing.  Unfortunately, as Boeing, Airbus, and other industry participants don't include me in their planning sessions, I cannot tell you if Asian cultural norms regarding the number 8 and future naming conventions are part of their future marketing strategy.  All I can say is many such cultural considerations are possible and probable as part of a larger composite strategy (which would include pricing, technology, and other considerations) for selling anything on an international level, including aircraft.

I hope some part of that was useful or interesting.
 

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Reply #15 - Jul 25th, 2007 at 7:38pm

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why not just change the last digit? Shocked
 

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Reply #16 - Aug 29th, 2007 at 8:06am

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Quote:
bok269 wrote on Jun 15th, 2007 at 4:01pm:
The rumor is that 8 will be the way to go.  One popular theory is that The Aircraft companies have realized that 8 is lucky in Asian culture


I know this is widely accepted throughout aviation but I find it rather bemusing.. Would an Asian carrier honestly choose one aircraft over another purely based on a number 8 being included in its name?

If Boeing make a flying brick that burns 1 tonne of fuel every Minute and carries 4 passengers, and is named the Boeing 888 are they going to choose that over something with better fuel burn, simply because of the number 8?

I'm sorry but I think that this number 8 business is bullcrap quite rather.

If there were 2 identical aircraft, with exactly the same specs, it would seem marginally more believable but other than that I'm not buying it...

Alex


True..... however, if the 8_8 naming scheme is open to boeing to use, why not? If it signify's luck in Asian culture, it's a kind of 'bonus' to go along with the quality of the actual aircraft...

I mean, it's not as if it costs them extra to use an 8 or two in an aircraft's name....
 

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Reply #17 - Aug 29th, 2007 at 11:24pm

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Im hoping they go wiht 8_7.  Rolls off the tongue better.
 

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bok269 wrote on Aug 29th, 2007 at 11:24pm:
Im hoping they go wiht 8_7.  Rolls off the tongue better.


Boeing 807.... yeah, you're right - try going through the range of 8_7's - sounds good to me... Cheesy
 

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spitfire boy wrote on Aug 30th, 2007 at 10:40am:
bok269 wrote on Aug 29th, 2007 at 11:24pm:
Im hoping they go wiht 8_7.  Rolls off the tongue better.


Boeing 807.... yeah, you're right - try going through the range of 8_7's - sounds good to me... Cheesy

zero in middle is reserved for Peugeot (really... they bought the rights for a 3 position number with a zero in the middle). They were too late for the 707, but just in time for the Porsche 901 (which became the Porsche 911)
 

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Ivan wrote on Aug 30th, 2007 at 4:55pm:
spitfire boy wrote on Aug 30th, 2007 at 10:40am:
bok269 wrote on Aug 29th, 2007 at 11:24pm:
Im hoping they go wiht 8_7.  Rolls off the tongue better.


Boeing 807.... yeah, you're right - try going through the range of 8_7's - sounds good to me... Cheesy

zero in middle is reserved for Peugeot (really... they bought the rights for a 3 position number with a zero in the middle). They were too late for the 707, but just in time for the Porsche 901 (which became the Porsche 911)


okay, boeing 817 through 897... still good.

I still think that 807 would sound better when attributed to a boeing than to a... *gulp*... peugeot...
 

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Reply #21 - Sep 11th, 2007 at 6:58pm

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I was hoping they'd use alphabets kinda like the did with the 787...I thought 7E7 sounded alot cooler and a regular number...Think about it...7A7, 7B7, 7C7 etc etc all the way to 7Z7...That's 26 different models right there... Cheesy Wink

It's the same with Airbus...What are they gonna do after that A390...Although these guys still have A360, A370 left to do...By the way, not all Boeing civilian jets ended with 7's...There was the Boeing 720 which lasted for a couple of years before eventually being replaced by the 707 Wink
 

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Ashar wrote on Sep 11th, 2007 at 6:58pm:
I was hoping they'd use alphabets kinda like the did with the 787...I thought 7E7 sounded alot cooler and a regular number...Think about it...7A7, 7B7, 7C7 etc etc all the way to 7Z7...That's 26 different models right there... Cheesy Wink

It's the same with Airbus...What are they gonna do after that A390...Although these guys still have A360, A370 left to do...By the way, not all Boeing civilian jets ended with 7's...There was the Boeing 720 which lasted for a couple of years before eventually being replaced by the 707 Wink


The 720 was actually a derivitive of the 707.  I don't see them using the letter system.  ITs a good idea but I dont see it happening.
 

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