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May 29
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I know there was an incident a few months ago, but is the plane back in the air? also, is the second frame being completed?
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Yes, I believe plans to complete a second airframe are still in progress. Great news!!
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The second airframe will be completed and there are rumors of an even bigger variant called the AN-325.
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May 30
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Actually, if I remember correctly in my infinite wisdom of the Antonov Super Heavy line, the An-325, was simply a concept, designed to carry HOTOL.
It was said to have 8 engines, 4 of them carried B-52 style. Anyway, get much bigger than the 225, and you are looking at unflyable.
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Jun 5
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There is no reason why an aircraft cannot be larger than the -225 and still be able to fly. If you fulfill 1 of 2 of the following conditions,
anything
will fly.
a) provide enough vertical thrust to counteract the effect of gravity.
b) provide a large and strong enough wing with sufficient airflow to produce enough lift to counteract the force of gravity.
Granted, we reach a point where fulfilling the above is impractical.
The only reason an aircraft larger than the an-225 would be improbable is that it would be so limited as to where it can and cannot land, that it would be almost impossible to find any practical application for an aircraft of its size.
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Jun 6
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elite marksman wrote
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th
, 2007 at 10:08pm:
There is no reason why an aircraft cannot be larger than the -225 and still be able to fly. If you fulfill 1 of 2 of the following conditions,
anything
will fly.
a) provide enough vertical thrust to counteract the effect of gravity.
b) provide a large and strong enough wing with sufficient airflow to produce enough lift to counteract the force of gravity.
Granted, we reach a point where fulfilling the above is impractical.
The only reason an aircraft larger than the an-225 would be improbable is that it would be so limited as to where it can and cannot land, that it would be almost impossible to find any practical application for an aircraft of its size.
And there have been aircraft larger that flew. Okay maybe just one, but it flew!!!
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Jun 6
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, 2007 at 3:20am
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Eh, larger plane in terms of WINGSPAN. Also it only flew 4 ft above the sea.
Also, I reserve the right to sue the thread poster for using my name. See you in court on Monday.
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Jun 6
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Does it matter if it only flew once, by "accident?" The plane got off the water, thats all that counts.
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Eh, larger plane in terms of WINGSPAN. Also it only flew 4 ft above the sea.
Also, I reserve the right to sue the thread poster for using my name. See you in court on Monday.
Actually he used An 225. You are An
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Jun 6
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, 2007 at 11:06pm
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Ah, nice catch there Viggen.
elite marksman, it only made it 4 ft above the sea. Face it, get much larger than the 225 and you are looking at unflyable. The weight will keep it grounded - not to mention the horrible handling of anything bigger than a 124.
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I thought it made 6 feet.
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Jun 8
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No reason for a -325
1. An-225 would have to change his screen name
2. Seriously, The market doesn't want jumbos... Look at the A-380
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Jun 8
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Trojan Rabbit, the second point you made is the most far-fetched thing I have ever heard. The market DOES want jumbos - the bigger (A380) the more people it can carry in one flight, and the faster the money rolls in. They don't want a crappy little Dreamliner taking only a few hundred people across nations at one time - more flights would then have to be made, meaning they will LOSE money (more flights = pilots with higher paychecks).
Also, the Antonov An-325, would not be a jumbo. It would be a CARGO carrier, and the market would love that, as it means they can carry more cargo in one flight.
In the end...your logic simply does not work.
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Only reason the A380 isn't doing well is that well it cost alot. And to get an airline who is using the venerable 747 to turn those in would cost money for the pilots to time in the "things"(A380)
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Trojan Rabbit, the second point you made is the most far-fetched thing I have ever heard. The market DOES want jumbos - the bigger (A380) the more people it can carry in one flight, and the faster the money rolls in. They don't want a crappy little Dreamliner taking only a few hundred people across nations at one time - more flights would then have to be made, meaning they will LOSE money (more flights = pilots with higher paychecks).
Also, the Antonov An-325, would not be a jumbo. It would be a CARGO carrier, and the market would love that, as it means they can carry more cargo in one flight.
In the end...your logic simply does not work.
Well, It's not conventional
It would need a
big
runway!
Either way, we'll see how the Boeing pelican does...
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JA 37 Viggen wrote
on Jun 9
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, 2007 at 9:49am:
Only reason the A380 isn't doing well is that well it cost alot. And to get an airline who is using the venerable 747 to turn those in would cost money for the pilots to time in the "things"(A380)
The reason Fedex and UPS have cancelled their A380 orders is not cost, but the delays to the aircraft that would put them in service past when they needed them. Sure their are initial costs and conversions for the pilots, but that is standard whenever an airline puts a new type into service. You have to spend money to make money.
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Jun 12
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Well trojan rabbit, you fail to take into account the size of most runways nowadays. We (YSSY) have quite a small runway (34L, by todays standards) and it has been extended so the Orbiter may land on it. Most major airports have quite large runways now.
Anyway, the Boeing Pelican, is, so far, just a test plane to test the efficiency of a WIG.
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Jun 12
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An-225, the length of the runway is not necessarily the limiting factor. If an aircraft were to become much larger than the 225, the wingspan may prohibit it from being used at many airports, especially those in the middle of already overcrowded cities (where, interestingly, most long-runway airports exist). The wingspan would present a problem because there may not be sufficient clearance between the runway and taxiway, or between parallel taxiways, causing the airport to reroute traffic temporarily while the aircraft is on the ground. Also, there may not be enough space on the cargo ramp to accommodate such a large aircraft while still having enough space for all the other carriers that need to use the space. In both situations, normal operation of the airport is likely disrupted, which will most definitely not make the regular customers happy.
Again, we return to the conclusion that such an aircraft is possible, but impractical.
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The An-225 is supposed to be in MEM some time in the coming days. It was originally scheduled for the 10th, but it didn't happen. So I guess she is airborne once again.
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Jun 15
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bok269 wrote
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, 2007 at 11:38pm:
The An-225 is supposed to be in MEM some time in the coming days. It was originally scheduled for the 10th, but it didn't happen. So I guess she is airborne once again.
Haha, thats great. No wonder I haven't been sleeping the past few nights - 225 wasn't airborne.
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You're all wrong. The Hercules flew for one mile at an altitude of 70 feet. The Man himself was in the left seat. It is still the biggest aeroplane that ever flew...
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rootbeer wrote
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You're all wrong. The Hercules flew for one mile at an altitude of 70 feet. The Man himself was in the left seat. It is still the biggest aeroplane that ever flew...
Good call.
Although I guess you could then argue that the 225 is the largest continually operated aircraft.
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Wait, what hercules? Your not talking about the C-130, are you?
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trojan rabbit wrote
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Wait, what hercules? Your not talking about the C-130, are you?
No, the Hughes H-4 Spruce Goose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_H-4
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Rootbeer, it is the biggest in terms of WINGSPAN. Not in overall size. It is NOT the biggest plane ever flown - the biggest would technically be the Graf Zeppelin.
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That is not a plane eh?
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Jun 19
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Technically, it is an
aircraft
, which is what this board is about.
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But it's not a plane, therefore, cannot hold the title for the largest plane ever flown...
It can, however, hold the title for largest dirigible or aircraft ever flown.
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bok269 wrote
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trojan rabbit wrote
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Wait, what hercules? Your not talking about the C-130, are you?
No, the Hughes H-4 Spruce Goose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_H-4
Oh... Apparently I didn't watch 'The Aviator' well enough. I new it was big, but I didn't realise it was the biggest. Sorry
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Trojan Rabbit, the second point you made is the most far-fetched thing I have ever heard. The market DOES want jumbos - the bigger (A380) the more people it can carry in one flight, and the faster the money rolls in. They don't want a crappy little Dreamliner taking only a few hundred people across nations at one time - more flights would then have to be made, meaning they will LOSE money (more flights = pilots with higher paychecks).
Also, the Antonov An-325, would not be a jumbo. It would be a CARGO carrier, and the market would love that, as it means they can carry more cargo in one flight.
In the end...your logic simply does not work.
Actually, you can't compare the A380 to the 787, each are in a different market and have different uses. the A380 is designed for long distance, high capacity flights, e.g. Syd - Lon. The 787 is more or less a replacement for the 767 and competitor to the A330. It is designed for slightly shorter international routes at a more economical price. Used correctly the 787 will be cheaper than the A380 on certain trips.
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Trojan Rabbit, the second point you made is the most far-fetched thing I have ever heard. The market DOES want jumbos - the bigger (A380) the more people it can carry in one flight, and the faster the money rolls in. They don't want a crappy little Dreamliner taking only a few hundred people across nations at one time - more flights would then have to be made, meaning they will LOSE money (more flights = pilots with higher paychecks).
Actually the opposite is holding true. Airlines want to offer higher frequency vs. capacity per flight. Paying more pilots is little incentive against it. This is the reason that the 747 hasn't been used in US domestic Ops in a long time. Even in Japan, where the 747 has been popular for a long time on domestic flights, NH has decided that htey want to fly higher frequency domestic flights with the 777, 767, and soon the 787, than with the 744D. The carriers only see demand for jumbos where they can offer multiple flights on a particular route per day, and fill 500 seats at the same time. This is exactly why there are 600+ orders for the Dreamliner and only about 200 for the A380.
Also, smaller planes offer greater flexibility. Where a Jumbo can only operate into certain airports and can only be economical with many seats filled, midsize planes like the 787 offer lower break even points, and the ability to serve on a variety of routes.
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