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Believe it or Not! (Read 4766 times)
May 21
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On May 21, 1927, Charles "Lucky" Lindbergh landed his single engine aircraft, "The Spirit of St. Louis" in Paris, winning the $25,000 Orteig Prize offered to the first allied aviator(s) to fly non-stop from New York City to Paris or vice-versa.
Two years later a little known Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley established his own claim to fame by publishing the fact that, contrary to popular perception, Lindbergh was the 67th man to make a non-stop flight over the Atlantic. Unknown to most of the world, a two man British airplane made the Atlantic crossing in 1919. and that same year, an English dirigible flew it with a crew of 31 men. In 1924 a German dirigible repeated the Atlantic flight with its crew of 33.
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The first non-stop flight in a heavier than air craft was accomplished by
Alcock and Brown
(Newfoundland to Ireland) in 1919, winning a £10,000 prize as the first flyers to cross the Atlantic non-stop.
Lindbergh, of course, is credited with making the first
solo
nonstop flight across the Atlantic. A solo flight was not a condition of the prize.
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Also, Lindberg flew secret missions in the Pacific in P-38's. His purpose was to go over there as technical advisor. He ended up teaching P38 pilots how to get the best performance and fuel efficiency out of the aircraft for long range missions.
http://www.charleslindbergh.com/history/b24.asp
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Webb wrote
on May 21
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On May 21, 1927, Charles "Lucky" Lindbergh landed his single engine aircraft, "The Spirit of St. Louis" in Paris, winning the $25,000 Orteig Prize offered to the first allied aviator(s) to fly non-stop from New York City to Paris or vice-versa.
Two years later a little known Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley established his own claim to fame by publishing the fact that, contrary to popular perception, Lindbergh was the 67th man to make a non-stop flight over the Atlantic. Unknown to most of the world, a two man British airplane made the Atlantic crossing in 1919. and that same year, an English dirigible flew it with a crew of 31 men. In 1924 a German dirigible repeated the Atlantic flight with its crew of 33.
Link
The first non-stop flight in a heavier than air craft was accomplished by
Alcock and Brown
(Newfoundland to Ireland) in 1919, winning a £10,000 prize as the first flyers to cross the Atlantic non-stop.
Lindbergh, of course, is credited with making the first
solo
nonstop flight across the Atlantic. A solo flight was not a condition of the prize.
Crazy. This reminds me of how people think the Wright Brothers made the first flight yet there are reports of other people doing it before them. We sure do live in a world of mysteries.
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Webb wrote
on May 21
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The first non-stop flight in a heavier than air craft was accomplished by
Alcock and Brown
(Newfoundland to Ireland) in 1919, winning a £10,000 prize as the first flyers to cross the Atlantic non-stop.
Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley must have been an American. Alcock & Brown were famous throughout the world except perhaps in the USA. It takes nothing away from Lindbergh's achievement.
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http://www.aviation-history.com/airmen/alcock.htm
The New York Times – June 16, 1919
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murjax wrote
on May 25
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Webb wrote
on May 21
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, 2007 at 7:08am:
On May 21, 1927, Charles "Lucky" Lindbergh landed his single engine aircraft, "The Spirit of St. Louis" in Paris, winning the $25,000 Orteig Prize offered to the first allied aviator(s) to fly non-stop from New York City to Paris or vice-versa.
Two years later a little known Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley established his own claim to fame by publishing the fact that, contrary to popular perception, Lindbergh was the 67th man to make a non-stop flight over the Atlantic. Unknown to most of the world, a two man British airplane made the Atlantic crossing in 1919. and that same year, an English dirigible flew it with a crew of 31 men. In 1924 a German dirigible repeated the Atlantic flight with its crew of 33.
Link
The first non-stop flight in a heavier than air craft was accomplished by
Alcock and Brown
(Newfoundland to Ireland) in 1919, winning a £10,000 prize as the first flyers to cross the Atlantic non-stop.
Lindbergh, of course, is credited with making the first
solo
nonstop flight across the Atlantic. A solo flight was not a condition of the prize.
Crazy. This reminds me of how people think the Wright Brothers made the first flight yet there are reports of other people doing it before them. We sure do live in a world of mysteries.
Ask a German and they will say the first person to fly was Otto Linenthal.
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Hagar wrote
on May 25
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Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley
must have been
was an American.
Robert Leroy Ripley was born on the 25th of December, 1893, in Santa Rosa, California. Merry Christmas.
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Hagar wrote
on May 25
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Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley must have been an American. Alcock & Brown were famous throughout the world except perhaps in the USA. It takes nothing away from Lindbergh's achievement.
Surely you know by now that Americans see nothing that happens outside of America. If Alcock and Brown had landed in the US instead of Newfoundland Americans would have been yawning over Lindbergh. Maybe. But Lindbergh was American and Alcock & Brown were English.
If you need further proof ask the average American which name sounds more familiar - Yuri Gagarin, Alan Shepard or John Glenn.
It's always nice to find someone else that shares my December 25 birthday.
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Webb wrote
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Hagar wrote
on May 25
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, 2007 at 10:11am:
Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley must have been an American. Alcock & Brown were famous throughout the world except perhaps in the USA. It takes nothing away from Lindbergh's achievement.
Surely you know by now that Americans see nothing that happens outside of America. If Alcock and Brown had landed in the US instead of Newfoundland Americans would have been yawning over Lindbergh. Maybe. But Lindbergh was American and Alcock & Brown were English.
To be fair I'd never heard the name Charles Lindbergh until I saw the film "The Spirit of St. Louis" in the late 1950s. I imagine everyone with the slightest interest in aviation must have seen that film at least once. Although this one was well-made the Hollywood version of history becomes accepted as fact by the general public, even when it's far from the truth. Things might have been different if a similar film had been made about Alcock & Brown.
PS. Doesn't change your point but Alcock & Brown took of from St. John's, Newfoundland. They landed in a boggy field near the small town of Clifden, Ireland.
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Hagar wrote
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Webb wrote
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[quote author=Hagar link=1179745729/0#3 date=1180102313]
To be fair I'd never heard the name Charles Lindbergh until I saw the film "The Spirit of St. Louis" in the late 1950s. I imagine everyone with the slightest interest in aviation must have seen that film at least once.
Bugger, I thought James Stewart did it first
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Hagar wrote
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Doesn't change your point but Alcock & Brown took of from St. John's, Newfoundland. They landed in a boggy field near the small town of Clifden, Ireland.
No wonder it was no big deal: Newfoundland was part of the U.K. at the time -- they only made it across the border. Sorry, got carried away by that "The border relations between Mexico and Canada have never been better," quote by Bush.
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H wrote
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Hagar wrote
on May 26
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Doesn't change your point but Alcock & Brown took of from St. John's, Newfoundland. They landed in a boggy field near the small town of Clifden, Ireland.
No wonder it was no big deal: Newfoundland was part of the U.K. at the time -- they only made it across the border. Sorry, got carried away by that "The border relations between Mexico and Canada have never been better," quote by Bush.
A 1500 mile buffer zone, South Korea could only dream of that
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expat wrote
on May 25
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Ask a German and they will say the first person to fly was Otto Linenthal.
Matt
Hey Matt,as a german Citizen you should know now that the Name of this Aircraft Pioneer was Otto Lilienthal.
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Arnimon wrote
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expat wrote
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Ask a German and they will say the first person to fly was Otto Linenthal.
Matt
Hey Matt,as a german Citizen you should know now that the Name of this Aircraft Pioneer was Otto Lilienthal.
Ah, but Arni, I said that if you asked a German. I am English, but as we used to say in a previous life, it was close enough for government work
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You will be telling us Frank Whittle did not invent the jet engine next
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Webb wrote
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If you need further proof ask the average American which name sounds more familiar - Yuri Gagarin, Alan Shepard or John Glenn.
one wonders what answer you would get if you asked the average Russian citizen that same question.
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Probably Gagarin... He ended up being buried at the famous Kremlin Wall memorial site.
You know what the oldest regular long distance airline route is that is still in existance... KLM Amsterdam - Jakarta. Started off with a Fokker F7b/3m somewhere in the 1920s, and took a week to complete
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You ask an Yank what the first aircraft to break the sound barrier was, I bet half would say Concorde or Blackbird.
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JA 37 Viggen wrote
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You ask an Yank what the first aircraft to break the sound barrier was, I bet half would say Concorde or Blackbird.
Nah. Everyone knows it was George Welch in an F-86.
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JA 37 Viggen wrote
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You ask an Yank what the first aircraft to break the sound barrier was, I bet half would say Concorde or Blackbird.
Me163 Komet (lost the paperwork) or Bi-1 (nobody cared about finding out how fast these were as long as they were effective against He-111s... with about 10 built in total)
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You ignorant fools.
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Zerotime wrote
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Ask anyone except Australians what Australia is like and I'd bet they'd say a big, sandy, red desert with Croc hunters everywhere.
It's red?
Oh, I feel so ignorant.
Hunting water related creatures in a desert does sound like a crock, though...
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Ask anyone except Australians what Australia is like and I'd bet they'd say a big, sandy, red desert woth Croc hunters everywhere.
You ignorant fools.
You forgot BBQ's and Fosters stands on every street corner.
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Hmmm,
And I guess everybody in the USA is ignorant, yeah we all focus on Paris Hilton and we rarely walk away from our TV's
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expat wrote
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Zerotime wrote
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Ask anyone except Australians what Australia is like and I'd bet they'd say a big, sandy, red desert with Croc hunters everywhere. You ignorant fools.
You forgot BBQ's and Fosters stands on every street corner.
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...and steak houses...
How do cattle graze in a desert? ... and how do you stay on your chairs and keep the settings on the table -- I mean, everything's down under?
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JA 37 Viggen wrote
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You ask an Yank what the first aircraft to break the sound barrier was, I bet half would say Concorde or Blackbird.
Why would you assume Americans are dumb like that?
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dcunning30 wrote
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JA 37 Viggen wrote
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You ask an Yank what the first aircraft to break the sound barrier was, I bet half would say Concorde or Blackbird.
Why would you assume Americans are dumb like that?
Because America is a very insular nation. The vast majority of it's population only look inward. You, the other American Sim V members and most of my American friends are in the minority of people that look beyond the borders and know of the world beyond and what goes on in it. Unfortunately as we all to often see, regardless of topic, the majority manage to tar the rest with the same brush meaning, you are American, wear a baseball cap, chew tobacco, have a gun under your pillow and drive an SUV. It is stereotyping and it will never go away. Sometimes it is funny, and sometimes ignorant.
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The vast majority of it's population only look inward.
...It is stereotyping and it will never go away. Sometimes it is funny, and sometimes ignorant.
Stereotyping is more so resultant of the assumption of the stereotyper. The U.S. is at least slightly larger than Andorra; mutual styreotyping happens within its states, let alone of things outside of the nation's borders. That's why
Foz
may be shocked to find that not even all Texans ride a horse, shoot or even speak the same -- but that same stereotype may happen from elsewhere in the U.S., itself.
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expat wrote
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dcunning30 wrote
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JA 37 Viggen wrote
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You ask an Yank what the first aircraft to break the sound barrier was, I bet half would say Concorde or Blackbird.
Why would you assume Americans are dumb like that?
Because America is a very insular nation. The vast majority of it's population only look inward. You, the other American Sim V members and most of my American friends are in the minority of people that look beyond the borders and know of the world beyond and what goes on in it. Unfortunately as we all to often see, regardless of topic, the majority manage to tar the rest with the same brush meaning, you are American, wear a baseball cap, chew tobacco, have a gun under your pillow and drive an SUV. It is stereotyping and it will never go away. Sometimes it is funny, and sometimes ignorant.
Matt
I can agree with that Americans are a self centered group of nutt jobs. But there are many in this country who are in tune with the rest of the world. It seems so one sided though because those self centered nutt jobs carry bigger sticks(big mouths). Us "in tune" individuals speak softly and tend to be more respectful towards others, in turn our movement is muted in the eyes of the world.
We are a split nation and its a shame that most Americans feel we don't have to respect the rest of the world
There is much to learn from older and more evolved cultures.
Not to stereotype but if you ever hear an American say "America Love It or Leave it" they are usually full of themselves!
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JSpahn wrote
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...there are many in this country who are in tune with the rest of the world. It seems so one-sided, though, because those self-centered nutt jobs carry bigger sticks (big mouths).
Those are also the ones who'll get the attention abroad, as I mentioned this a long time ago. As I aid then, the sad part is that no one else will keep them and they keep returning.
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Im a pretty happy dude , look at all the interesting people watching you can do in the states. Its like an episode of "Believe it or Not!" There are enough funny people here to keep me laughing for years to come!
Almost everyday I see something that makes me go
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On May 21, 1927, Charles "Lucky" Lindbergh landed his single engine aircraft, "The Spirit of St. Louis" in Paris, winning the $25,000 Orteig Prize offered to the first allied aviator(s) to fly non-stop from New York City to Paris or vice-versa.
Two years later a little known Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley established his own claim to fame by publishing the fact that, contrary to popular perception, Lindbergh was the 67th man to make a non-stop flight over the Atlantic. Unknown to most of the world, a two man British airplane made the Atlantic crossing in 1919. and that same year, an English dirigible flew it with a crew of 31 men. In 1924 a German dirigible repeated the Atlantic flight with its crew of 33.
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The first non-stop flight in a heavier than air craft was accomplished by
Alcock and Brown
(Newfoundland to Ireland) in 1919, winning a £10,000 prize as the first flyers to cross the Atlantic non-stop.
Lindbergh, of course, is credited with making the first
solo
nonstop flight across the Atlantic. A solo flight was not a condition of the prize.
I believe it was New York - Paris.
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Yes, "landed in Paris" implied a New York - Paris flight.
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