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May 21st, 2007 at 7:08am

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On May 21, 1927, Charles "Lucky" Lindbergh landed his single engine aircraft, "The Spirit of St. Louis" in Paris, winning the $25,000 Orteig Prize offered to the first allied aviator(s) to fly non-stop from New York City to Paris or vice-versa.

Two years later a little known Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley established his own claim to fame by publishing the fact that, contrary to popular perception, Lindbergh was the 67th man to make a non-stop flight over the Atlantic.  Unknown to most of the world, a two man British airplane made the Atlantic crossing in 1919. and that same year, an English dirigible flew it with a crew of 31 men. In 1924 a German dirigible repeated the Atlantic flight with its crew of 33. Link

The first non-stop flight in a heavier than air craft was accomplished by Alcock and Brown (Newfoundland to Ireland) in 1919, winning a £10,000 prize as the first flyers to cross the Atlantic non-stop.

Lindbergh, of course, is credited with making the first solo nonstop flight across the Atlantic.  A solo flight was not a condition of the prize.
 
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Reply #1 - May 21st, 2007 at 12:09pm

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Also, Lindberg flew secret missions in the Pacific in P-38's.  His purpose was to go over there as technical advisor.  He ended up teaching P38 pilots how to get the best performance and fuel efficiency out of the aircraft for long range missions.

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Reply #2 - May 25th, 2007 at 9:51am

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Webb wrote on May 21st, 2007 at 7:08am:
On May 21, 1927, Charles "Lucky" Lindbergh landed his single engine aircraft, "The Spirit of St. Louis" in Paris, winning the $25,000 Orteig Prize offered to the first allied aviator(s) to fly non-stop from New York City to Paris or vice-versa.

Two years later a little known Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley established his own claim to fame by publishing the fact that, contrary to popular perception, Lindbergh was the 67th man to make a non-stop flight over the Atlantic.  Unknown to most of the world, a two man British airplane made the Atlantic crossing in 1919. and that same year, an English dirigible flew it with a crew of 31 men. In 1924 a German dirigible repeated the Atlantic flight with its crew of 33. Link

The first non-stop flight in a heavier than air craft was accomplished by Alcock and Brown (Newfoundland to Ireland) in 1919, winning a £10,000 prize as the first flyers to cross the Atlantic non-stop.

Lindbergh, of course, is credited with making the first solo nonstop flight across the Atlantic.  A solo flight was not a condition of the prize.
Crazy. This reminds me of how people think the Wright Brothers made the first flight yet there are reports of other people doing it before them. We sure do live in a world of mysteries.  Smiley
 

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Reply #3 - May 25th, 2007 at 10:11am

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Webb wrote on May 21st, 2007 at 7:08am:
The first non-stop flight in a heavier than air craft was accomplished by Alcock and Brown (Newfoundland to Ireland) in 1919, winning a £10,000 prize as the first flyers to cross the Atlantic non-stop.

Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley must have been an American. Alcock & Brown were famous throughout the world except perhaps in the USA. It takes nothing away from Lindbergh's achievement.

PS. http://www.aviation-history.com/airmen/alcock.htm
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Reply #4 - May 25th, 2007 at 11:58am

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murjax wrote on May 25th, 2007 at 9:51am:
Webb wrote on May 21st, 2007 at 7:08am:
On May 21, 1927, Charles "Lucky" Lindbergh landed his single engine aircraft, "The Spirit of St. Louis" in Paris, winning the $25,000 Orteig Prize offered to the first allied aviator(s) to fly non-stop from New York City to Paris or vice-versa.

Two years later a little known Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley established his own claim to fame by publishing the fact that, contrary to popular perception, Lindbergh was the 67th man to make a non-stop flight over the Atlantic.  Unknown to most of the world, a two man British airplane made the Atlantic crossing in 1919. and that same year, an English dirigible flew it with a crew of 31 men. In 1924 a German dirigible repeated the Atlantic flight with its crew of 33. Link

The first non-stop flight in a heavier than air craft was accomplished by Alcock and Brown (Newfoundland to Ireland) in 1919, winning a £10,000 prize as the first flyers to cross the Atlantic non-stop.

Lindbergh, of course, is credited with making the first solo nonstop flight across the Atlantic.  A solo flight was not a condition of the prize.
Crazy. This reminds me of how people think the Wright Brothers made the first flight yet there are reports of other people doing it before them. We sure do live in a world of mysteries.  Smiley



Ask a German and they will say the first person to fly was Otto Linenthal.

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Reply #5 - May 25th, 2007 at 7:01pm

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Hagar wrote on May 25th, 2007 at 10:11am:
Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley must have been was an American.
Robert Leroy Ripley was born on the 25th of December, 1893, in Santa Rosa, California. Merry Christmas.
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Reply #6 - May 25th, 2007 at 8:11pm

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Hagar wrote on May 25th, 2007 at 10:11am:
Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley must have been an American. Alcock & Brown were famous throughout the world except perhaps in the USA. It takes nothing away from Lindbergh's achievement.

Surely you know by now that Americans see nothing that happens outside of America.  If Alcock and Brown had landed in the US instead of Newfoundland Americans would have been yawning over Lindbergh.  Maybe.  But Lindbergh was American and Alcock & Brown were English.

If you need further proof ask the average American which name sounds more familiar - Yuri Gagarin, Alan Shepard or John Glenn.

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Reply #7 - May 26th, 2007 at 3:56am

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Webb wrote on May 25th, 2007 at 8:11pm:
Hagar wrote on May 25th, 2007 at 10:11am:
Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley must have been an American. Alcock & Brown were famous throughout the world except perhaps in the USA. It takes nothing away from Lindbergh's achievement.

Surely you know by now that Americans see nothing that happens outside of America.  If Alcock and Brown had landed in the US instead of Newfoundland Americans would have been yawning over Lindbergh.  Maybe.  But Lindbergh was American and Alcock & Brown were English.

To be fair I'd never heard the name Charles Lindbergh until I saw the film "The Spirit of St. Louis" in the late 1950s. I imagine everyone with the slightest interest in aviation must have seen that film at least once. Although this one was well-made the Hollywood version of history becomes accepted as fact by the general public, even when it's far from the truth. Things might have been different if a similar film had been made about Alcock & Brown.

PS. Doesn't change your point but Alcock & Brown took of from St. John's, Newfoundland. They landed in a boggy field near the small town of Clifden, Ireland.
 

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Reply #8 - May 26th, 2007 at 5:50am

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Hagar wrote on May 26th, 2007 at 3:56am:
Webb wrote on May 25th, 2007 at 8:11pm:
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To be fair I'd never heard the name Charles Lindbergh until I saw the film "The Spirit of St. Louis" in the late 1950s. I imagine everyone with the slightest interest in aviation must have seen that film at least once.



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Hagar wrote on May 26th, 2007 at 3:56am:
Doesn't change your point but Alcock & Brown took of from St. John's, Newfoundland. They landed in a boggy field near the small town of Clifden, Ireland.
No wonder it was no big deal: Newfoundland was part of the U.K. at the time -- they only made it across the border. Sorry, got carried away by that "The border relations between Mexico and Canada have never been better," quote by Bush.
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H wrote on May 26th, 2007 at 6:21am:
Hagar wrote on May 26th, 2007 at 3:56am:
Doesn't change your point but Alcock & Brown took of from St. John's, Newfoundland. They landed in a boggy field near the small town of Clifden, Ireland.
No wonder it was no big deal: Newfoundland was part of the U.K. at the time -- they only made it across the border. Sorry, got carried away by that "The border relations between Mexico and Canada have never been better," quote by Bush.
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expat wrote on May 25th, 2007 at 11:58am:
Ask a German and they will say the first person to fly was Otto Linenthal.

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Hey Matt,as a german Citizen you should know now that the Name of this Aircraft Pioneer was Otto Lilienthal.  Roll Eyes  Wink
 

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Arnimon wrote on May 26th, 2007 at 4:51pm:
expat wrote on May 25th, 2007 at 11:58am:
Ask a German and they will say the first person to fly was Otto Linenthal.

Matt


Hey Matt,as a german Citizen you should know now that the Name of this Aircraft Pioneer was Otto Lilienthal.  Roll Eyes  Wink


Ah, but Arni, I said that if you asked a German. I am English, but as we used to say in a previous life, it was close enough for government work  Cheesy Cheesy

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(Actually, it was Gustav Weisskopf (Whitehead)). Grin
 
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Webb wrote on May 25th, 2007 at 8:11pm:
If you need further proof ask the average American which name sounds more familiar - Yuri Gagarin, Alan Shepard or John Glenn.


one wonders what answer you would get if you asked the average Russian citizen that same question.   Roll Eyes
 

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Probably Gagarin... He ended up being buried at the famous Kremlin Wall memorial site.

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You ask an Yank what the first aircraft to break the sound barrier was, I bet half would say Concorde or Blackbird.
 

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Reply #18 - Jun 2nd, 2007 at 11:32pm

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JA 37 Viggen wrote on Jun 2nd, 2007 at 7:42pm:
You ask an Yank what the first aircraft to break the sound barrier was, I bet half would say Concorde or Blackbird.

Nah.  Everyone knows it was George Welch in an F-86.
 
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JA 37 Viggen wrote on Jun 2nd, 2007 at 7:42pm:
You ask an Yank what the first aircraft to break the sound barrier was, I bet half would say Concorde or Blackbird.

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Reply #20 - Jun 3rd, 2007 at 3:51am
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Ask anyone except Australians what Australia is like and I'd bet they'd say a big, sandy, red desert woth Croc hunters everywhere.

You ignorant fools.


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Zerotime wrote on Jun 3rd, 2007 at 3:51am:
Ask anyone except Australians what Australia is like and I'd bet they'd say a big, sandy, red desert with Croc hunters everywhere.
It's red? Huh Oh, I feel so ignorant. Embarrassed
Hunting water related creatures in a desert does sound like a crock, though...
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Zerotime wrote on Jun 3rd, 2007 at 3:51am:
Ask anyone except Australians what Australia is like and I'd bet they'd say a big, sandy, red desert woth Croc hunters everywhere.

You ignorant fools.


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Hmmm,

  And I guess everybody in the USA is ignorant, yeah we all focus on Paris Hilton and we rarely walk away from our TV's

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expat wrote on Jun 3rd, 2007 at 6:12pm:
Zerotime wrote on Jun 3rd, 2007 at 3:51am:
Ask anyone except Australians what Australia is like and I'd bet they'd say a big, sandy, red desert with Croc hunters everywhere. You ignorant fools.
Roll Eyes

You forgot BBQ's and Fosters stands on every street corner. Cool
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...and steak houses... Huh How do cattle graze in a desert? ... and how do you stay on your chairs and keep the settings on the table -- I mean, everything's down under?
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JA 37 Viggen wrote on Jun 2nd, 2007 at 7:42pm:
You ask an Yank what the first aircraft to break the sound barrier was, I bet half would say Concorde or Blackbird.


Why would you assume Americans are dumb like that?   Roll Eyes
 

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dcunning30 wrote on Jun 4th, 2007 at 3:49pm:
JA 37 Viggen wrote on Jun 2nd, 2007 at 7:42pm:
You ask an Yank what the first aircraft to break the sound barrier was, I bet half would say Concorde or Blackbird.


Why would you assume Americans are dumb like that?   Roll Eyes



Because America is a very insular nation. The vast majority of it's population only look inward. You, the other American Sim V members and most of my American friends are in the minority of people that look beyond the borders and know of the world beyond and what goes on in it. Unfortunately as we all to often see, regardless of topic, the majority manage to tar the rest with the same brush meaning, you are American, wear a baseball cap, chew tobacco, have a gun under your pillow and drive an SUV. It is stereotyping and it will never go away. Sometimes it is funny, and sometimes ignorant.

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expat wrote on Jun 5th, 2007 at 6:24am:
...The vast majority of it's population only look inward....It is stereotyping and it will never go away. Sometimes it is funny, and sometimes ignorant.
Stereotyping is more so resultant of the assumption of the stereotyper. The U.S. is at least slightly larger than Andorra; mutual styreotyping happens within its states, let alone of things outside of the nation's borders. That's why Foz may be shocked to find that not even all Texans ride a horse, shoot or even speak the same -- but that same stereotype may happen from elsewhere in the U.S., itself.



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H wrote on Jun 5th, 2007 at 7:36am:
.....Foz may be shocked to find that not even all Texans ride a horse, shoot or even speak the same.....



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expat wrote on Jun 5th, 2007 at 6:24am:
dcunning30 wrote on Jun 4th, 2007 at 3:49pm:
JA 37 Viggen wrote on Jun 2nd, 2007 at 7:42pm:
You ask an Yank what the first aircraft to break the sound barrier was, I bet half would say Concorde or Blackbird.


Why would you assume Americans are dumb like that?   Roll Eyes



Because America is a very insular nation. The vast majority of it's population only look inward. You, the other American Sim V members and most of my American friends are in the minority of people that look beyond the borders and know of the world beyond and what goes on in it. Unfortunately as we all to often see, regardless of topic, the majority manage to tar the rest with the same brush meaning, you are American, wear a baseball cap, chew tobacco, have a gun under your pillow and drive an SUV. It is stereotyping and it will never go away. Sometimes it is funny, and sometimes ignorant.

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I can agree with that Americans are a self centered group of nutt jobs. But there are many in this country who are in tune with the rest of the world. It seems so one sided though because those self centered nutt jobs carry bigger sticks(big mouths). Us "in tune" individuals speak softly and tend to be more respectful towards others, in turn our movement is muted in the eyes of the world.

We are a split nation and its a shame that most Americans feel we don't have to respect the rest of the world Sad There is much to learn from older and more evolved cultures.

Not to stereotype but if you ever hear an American say "America Love It or Leave it" they are usually full of themselves!
 

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JSpahn wrote on Jun 5th, 2007 at 8:19am:
...there are many in this country who are in tune with the rest of the world. It seems so one-sided, though, because those self-centered nutt jobs carry bigger sticks (big mouths).
Those are also the ones who'll get the attention abroad, as I mentioned this a long time ago. As I aid then, the sad part is that no one else will keep them and they keep returning.
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Im a pretty happy dude , look at all the interesting people watching you can do in the states. Its like an episode of "Believe it or Not!" There are enough  funny people here to keep me laughing for years to come! Wink Almost everyday I see something that makes me go  Undecided???? then  Grin Grin

 

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Webb wrote on May 21st, 2007 at 7:08am:
On May 21, 1927, Charles "Lucky" Lindbergh landed his single engine aircraft, "The Spirit of St. Louis" in Paris, winning the $25,000 Orteig Prize offered to the first allied aviator(s) to fly non-stop from New York City to Paris or vice-versa.

Two years later a little known Robert "Believe it or Not!" Ripley established his own claim to fame by publishing the fact that, contrary to popular perception, Lindbergh was the 67th man to make a non-stop flight over the Atlantic.  Unknown to most of the world, a two man British airplane made the Atlantic crossing in 1919. and that same year, an English dirigible flew it with a crew of 31 men. In 1924 a German dirigible repeated the Atlantic flight with its crew of 33. Link

The first non-stop flight in a heavier than air craft was accomplished by Alcock and Brown (Newfoundland to Ireland) in 1919, winning a £10,000 prize as the first flyers to cross the Atlantic non-stop.

Lindbergh, of course, is credited with making the first solo nonstop flight across the Atlantic.  A solo flight was not a condition of the prize.



I believe it was New York - Paris.
 

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Yes, "landed in Paris" implied a New York - Paris flight.
 
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