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May 11^th, 2007 at 9:17pm

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1-10, ten being the best, and why please

Nick.. gonna try this out to improve Cool

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Reply #1 - May 12^th, 2007 at 12:03am

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I'll give it a 4.

Good: Nice angle, full aircraft shown

Bad: No sun, A tad bit not realistic, More weather

Try to add sun and clouds to it a bit. Wink

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Reply #2 - May 12^th, 2007 at 9:53am

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a1 wrote on May 12^th, 2007 at 12:03am:

I'll give it a 4.

Good: Nice angle, full aircraft shown

Bad: No sun, A tad bit not realistic, More weather

Try to add sun and clouds to it a bit. Wink

I like the fact that the weather was clearer and did that on purpose.

as for no sun, I wanted it to appear as a dreary day in the first place Wink

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Reply #3 - May 12^th, 2007 at 12:43pm

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10 - elevator touching edge - weird black border lines - weird horizontal lines near tail section - fuzzy plane outline - colour balance = 5

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Reply #4 - May 12^th, 2007 at 12:58pm

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yawn.. try something new and differant

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Reply #5 - May 12^th, 2007 at 12:59pm

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Sytse wrote on May 12^th, 2007 at 12:43pm:

10 - elevator touching edge - weird black border lines - weird horizontal lines near tail section - fuzzy plane outline - colour balance = 5

Sorry about the plane outline, but I had to blur it to get rid of the jaggies

color balance as in?

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Reply #6 - May 12^th, 2007 at 2:50pm

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Try something other than slapping filters......

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Reply #7 - May 12^th, 2007 at 3:24pm

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NDSP wrote on May 12^th, 2007 at 12:59pm:

Sytse wrote on May 12^th, 2007 at 12:43pm:

10 - elevator touching edge - weird black border lines - weird horizontal lines near tail section - fuzzy plane outline - colour balance = 5

Sorry about the plane outline, but I had to blur it to get rid of the jaggies

color balance as in?

Nick

As in not very interesting. Sorry. Undecided

You don't need to blur the plane edges to get rid of the jaggies. Just enable Anti aliassing in the sim and take the shot at the highest possible resolution and resize later. Wink

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Reply #8 - May 12^th, 2007 at 6:06pm

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NDSP, you're really a glutton for punishment

I'm starting to get the feeling you are not taking people's advice on board, and basically at this point people are going to stop replying, or run out of patience and start posting comments reflecting that.... are you really satisfied with this picture? Have you applied what people have been telling you in the making of this shot?

If you are really serious about editing and screenshooting despite having a computer that is a bit behind the times and poor editing software then to get good results you need to make sacrifices to produce a great background shot. Like Sytse says, turn up all the settings to max, use a high resolution even if you can't actually fly with the settings you are using because it's a slide show...use scenery and an interesting sky in your shot, etc, it's all been said before. Get a good screenshot and then experiment with editing it until it looks like a good edit and then post the shot. Sorry to be harsh but I feel the advice isn't getting through and I have to say that if I see another pic of a blurred plane against a plain sky I'm not going to comment any more.... Huh

I have worked very hard to buy all the stuff to get my computer into decent shape just for the purpose of taking screenshots I'm happy with, because it's my main hobby in life, sad though that may be Roll Eyes

Perhaps instead of editing with paint.net you could spend time earning your way to a better comp, or at least an old version of photoshop, as you obviously are keen on editing and screenshooting but your 'tools' are holding you back. Your edit of Waspiflab's shot is my first Gallery nomination this fortnight because it's great. It's a work of art and I reckon you could get a lot of pleasure from making shots like that yourself....

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Reply #9 - May 12^th, 2007 at 6:56pm

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krigl wrote on May 12^th, 2007 at 6:06pm:

NDSP, you're really a glutton for punishment

I'm starting to get the feeling you are not taking people's advice on board, and basically at this point people are going to stop replying, or run out of patience and start posting comments reflecting that.... are you really satisfied with this picture? Have you applied what people have been telling you in the making of this shot?

If you are really serious about editing and screenshooting despite having a computer that is a bit behind the times and poor editing software then to get good results you need to make sacrifices to produce a great background shot. Like Sytse says, turn up all the settings to max, use a high resolution even if you can't actually fly with the settings you are using because it's a slide show...use scenery and an interesting sky in your shot, etc, it's all been said before. Get a good screenshot and then experiment with editing it until it looks like a good edit and then post the shot. Sorry to be harsh but I feel the advice isn't getting through and I have to say that if I see another pic of a blurred plane against a plain sky I'm not going to comment any more.... Huh

I have worked very hard to buy all the stuff to get my computer into decent shape just for the purpose of taking screenshots I'm happy with, because it's my main hobby in life, sad though that may be Roll Eyes

Perhaps instead of editing with paint.net you could spend time earning your way to a better comp, or at least an old version of photoshop, as you obviously are keen on editing and screenshooting but your 'tools' are holding you back. Your edit of Waspiflab's shot is my first Gallery nomination this fortnight because it's great. It's a work of art and I reckon you could get a lot of pleasure from making shots like that yourself....

Cheers

Krigl

Sorry if It doesnt appear the advice is being taken in, but mostly its all the same, and occasionally I want to make my shot appear somewhat clear Huh

I dont always want all that weather and Im sorry but I dont have money for a baseball let alone a new computer Roll Eyes

Im trying to improve, I really am, but my shots never look good with my own screenshots.

Also I do have all the settings to max and I do have AA checked...

Nick

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Reply #10 - May 12^th, 2007 at 7:16pm

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Then the jaggies shouldn't be so bad. I did this composite on my old computer (P3 450 MHz, Geforce 2 64 MB), I'm sure your system is able to handle this... Wink

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Reply #11 - May 12^th, 2007 at 7:54pm

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Sytse wrote on May 12^th, 2007 at 7:16pm:

Then the jaggies shouldn't be so bad. I did this composite on my old computer (P3 450 MHz, Geforce 2 64 MB), I'm sure your system is able to handle this... Wink

That looks like a photoshop edit though Undecided

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Reply #12 - May 12^th, 2007 at 7:57pm

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How'r these

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/NDSPED21.jpg

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/NDSPED223.jpg

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/NDSPED23.jpg

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/NDSPED24.jpg btw sorry the edge of the wing is touching the side on that last one, but I dont know how to edit that out Huh

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Reply #13 - May 13^th, 2007 at 2:48am

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I have to agree with Krigl. You don't really seem to be taking in the advice others give.

Now, time for some constructive criticism:

The Shot - Absolutely, positively, BORING ANGLE. Not a very good choice of plane either - the Alitalia livery looks strange on the 37.

The Edit - Well...I'm afraid that without Photoshop, there really is nothing you can do. The graininess detracts from the overall realism. And...well. The graininess is all I can actually spot that is edited. Like I said, (which Monkey than copied, if I can remember correctly! Wink

) try something other than slapping a filter on.

Also, like I also said before, with some of your recent edits, all you are doing is taking someone elses already brilliant shot, then adding grain/slight colour adjustment, and piggy backing off their success.

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Reply #14 - May 13^th, 2007 at 3:29am

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The Edit - Well...I'm afraid that without Photoshop, there really is nothing you can do.

Sorry but I cannot agree with this. Owning a Stradivarius doesn't make anyone into a brilliant musician overnight. Not everyone can afford this magical program Roll Eyes

. It does not guarantee success & you have to learn how to use it properly which takes time & effort. There is other graphics editing software available with similar features to Photoshop & some is completely free. I have seen masterpieces created in MS Paint. The art is in knowing how to use what you have to its best advantage.

Some people are not cut out for this sort of thing. You need a certain amount of artistic flair which I for one do not possess.

PS. My advice to Nick would be; Don't try to run before you can walk. Learn how to take your own screenshots before worrying about editing them.

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Reply #15 - May 13^th, 2007 at 4:19am

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NDSP wrote on May 12^th, 2007 at 7:57pm:

How'r these

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/NDSPED21.jpg

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/NDSPED223.jpg

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/NDSPED23.jpg

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/NDSPED24.jpg btw sorry the edge of the wing is touching the side on that last one, but I dont know how to edit that out Huh

I'm going to be fully honest with you.

#2 is OK, but the rest is like all of your edits, it's simply crap! just some whipping the contrast and smashing in some filters, it doesn't mean anything to me and it ruins your pic. Mostly editing is used to make a pic more dramatic or realistic. Both aren't found in your shots.

1) Stop making pics of default planes
2) Show a background, we all know what a cloud looks like
3) try a different way of editing because all are the same.

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Reply #16 - May 13^th, 2007 at 5:52am

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NDSP wrote on May 12^th, 2007 at 7:54pm:

Sytse wrote on May 12^th, 2007 at 7:16pm:

Then the jaggies shouldn't be so bad. I did this composite on my old computer (P3 450 MHz, Geforce 2 64 MB), I'm sure your system is able to handle this... Wink

That looks like a photoshop edit though Undecided

Yes, but that's not the point. Look at the lines on the plane. Do you see any jaggies?

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Reply #17 - May 13^th, 2007 at 6:42am

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as said nick, take on board what people are takeing their time to give you, maybe then you will stop spamming us with crap and give us something decent to look at.

you do not need to have photoshop, the nearest to photoshop is GIMP not many of us around here have much knowledge of how to use this program, but the internet is bursting with tutorials, ive looked around it and its very similar to photoshop and is a powerful took, and its FREE!, i shall even provide a link to some Turorials

just take on what people have said, take some hints and create something that will make my jaw smack my desk!

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Reply #18 - May 13^th, 2007 at 7:17am

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Right now Im working on a new technique that hopefully wont be crap Grin

Nick

EDIT: So hows this? I cut the plane out and pasted it on a different shot. Go easy on my because this is my first try at copying and pasting planes Grin

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Reply #19 - May 13^th, 2007 at 7:31am

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NDSP wrote on May 13^th, 2007 at 7:17am:

Right now Im working on a new technique that hopefully wont be crap Grin

Nick

im not going to hold my breath though Grin

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Reply #20 - May 13^th, 2007 at 7:51am

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NDSP wrote on May 13^th, 2007 at 7:17am:

Right now Im working on a new technique that hopefully wont be crap Grin

Nick

im not going to hold my breath though Grin

You dont have to, just scroll up Cheesy

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Reply #21 - May 13^th, 2007 at 8:36am

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i see.... the cutout is a bit rough mate, and the plane needs to blend better

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Reply #22 - May 13^th, 2007 at 8:51am

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i see.... the cutout is a bit rough mate, and the plane needs to blend better

First attempt, gonna be trying that method out much more in the future, I gotta figure out a way to smoothen those edges, and Ill work on the blending

I dunno if this is any better, and I tried a different method of smoothening out the edges, but they still sorta didnt come out the best.... Clicky

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Reply #23 - May 13^th, 2007 at 9:45am

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What editing software are you using?

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Reply #24 - May 13^th, 2007 at 9:52am

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Sytse wrote on May 13^th, 2007 at 9:45am:

What editing software are you using?

Same thing ive been using... Paint.net ... I tried downloading GIMP once but the download stoped for some reason at the end.. i still dunno why

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Reply #25 - May 13^th, 2007 at 9:54am

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try gimp again, its alot more powerful than paint.net and as was said above, to smooth your edges out turn your AA on

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Reply #26 - May 13^th, 2007 at 9:56am

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try gimp again, its alot more powerful than paint.net and as was said above, to smooth your edges out turn your AA on

Can I have a download mirror? Im not sure where to find one Embarrassed

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Reply #27 - May 13^th, 2007 at 9:57am

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Thanks for all the help guys Cool

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Reply #28 - May 13^th, 2007 at 10:01am

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look at my post above, i incliuded a link to the GIMP site, and to some tut's

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Reply #29 - May 13^th, 2007 at 10:56am

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Ok, Im really gonna hafta look at those tutorials because that thing looks real hard to use

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Reply #30 - May 13^th, 2007 at 12:52pm

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NDSP wrote on May 13^th, 2007 at 10:56am:

Ok, Im really gonna hafta look at those tutorials because that thing looks real hard to use

hence why i even provided you with a link... ya gimp Tongue

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