Simviation Forum - What the*** New York and Island Hog island??

Apr 16^th, 2007 at 10:17pm

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There was an island in 1893 and sunk by a Hurricane .. Shocked

In New York City?

A Hurricane in NY ? Shocked

and was erased in Americans Memory though Shocked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1873hogInlet.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hog_Island_%28New_York%29

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Reply #1 - Apr 16^th, 2007 at 10:49pm

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If there were no buildings on the island and no loss of life it it is possible that the incident (1893) was forgotten.

Interesting story, though.

Edit: It is not uncommon for hurricanes to strike New York.

(Since you are not an English speaker -

"Common" - occurs often
"Uncommon" - does not occur often
"Not uncommon" - does not occur often but occurs somewhere between "common" and "uncommon"

English is "sunk", not "sinked", another word we love to use to identify foreigners.

English does not use ¿ to start a question.)

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Reply #2 - Apr 16^th, 2007 at 11:13pm

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Reminds me of the Bodie Island lighthouse in the Chesapeake Bay. I rode a boat by it last fall. The lighthouse is still there, but Bodie Island is no more.

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Reply #3 - Apr 17^th, 2007 at 5:45am

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Webb wrote on Apr 16^th, 2007 at 10:49pm:

English is "sunk", not "sinked", another word we love to use to identify foreigners.
English does not use ¿ to start a question.)

Thanks Webb, I just Fixed.. I also Find it very interesting ,especialy about the Hurricane in New York City Area, I hope never happend again ..

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Reply #4 - Apr 17^th, 2007 at 6:01am

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alrot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2007 at 5:45am:

Webb wrote on Apr 16^th, 2007 at 10:49pm:

English is "sunk", not "sinked", another word we love to use to identify foreigners.
English does not use ¿ to start a question.)

Thanks Webb, I just Fixed.. I also Find it very interesting ,especialy about the Hurricane in New York City Area, I hope never happend again ..

As Webb ponted out, hurricanes are not uncommon in New York City. This is a double negative that means they can happen quite frequently. If they come inland they sometimes run right up the east coast of the US. http://www.weather2000.com/NY_Hurricanes.html

My brother was caught in one on a visit to Manhattan. I just managed to miss it by flying down to Florida on the day it hit. The first I knew about it was when I switched on the TV in my hotel room.

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Reply #5 - Apr 17^th, 2007 at 7:41pm

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alrot wrote on Apr 16^th, 2007 at 10:17pm:

There was an island in 1893 and sunk by a Hurricane .. Shocked

In New York City?

A Hurricane in NY ? Shocked

and was erased in Americans Memory though Shocked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1873hogInlet.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hog_Island_%28New_York%29

Hurricanes Hitting NYC are not exactly a common thing, but they do happen.

I have to watch out for when the next one hits Shocked

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Reply #6 - Apr 18^th, 2007 at 1:18pm

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alrot wrote on Apr 16^th, 2007 at 10:17pm:

There was an island in 1893 and sunk by a Hurricane .. Shocked

In New York City?

A Hurricane in NY ? Shocked

and was erased in Americans Memory though Shocked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1873hogInlet.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hog_Island_%28New_York%29

NYC is a coastal city, after all... usually those storms run out of steam before they get up here, but every now and then we get slammed.

Hog Island was uninhabited at the time of that hurricane, and I think it's sort of still there; as a bar, at least. It wasn't really sunk so much as washed away, as it was probably mostly sand to begin with.

I'd heard about it before, but it was a long time ago, and not exactly a tragedy... Roll Eyes

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Reply #7 - May 3^rd, 2007 at 10:18am

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Weather or not another hurricane hits NY again, it's a good idea for them to have safety plans. First off, they need to get better windows. They need to be bulletproof windows that can fit in between the outside and the inside of the building. That way they can't be blown out or blown in. Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration are fires. A good modern idea would be to install pipes everywhere inside the building and if a fire happens, the pipes will take an anti flame liquid to the location of the fire. A very important thing in NY is transportation. The subway tunnels would need to be completly sealed off before a hurricane so that they don't get flooded. That sounds like a good idea now doesn't it?

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Reply #8 - May 3^rd, 2007 at 2:54pm

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murjax wrote on May 3^rd, 2007 at 10:18am:

Weather or not another hurricane hits NY again, it's a good idea for them to have safety plans. First off, they need to get better windows. They need to be bulletproof windows that can fit in between the outside and the inside of the building. That way they can't be blown out or blown in. Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration are fires. A good modern idea would be to install pipes everywhere inside the building and if a fire happens, the pipes will take an anti flame liquid to the location of the fire. A very important thing in NY is transportation. The subway tunnels would need to be completly sealed off before a hurricane so that they don't get flooded. That sounds like a good idea now doesn't it?

Good luck with that! They cannot even figure out a way to quell traffic.

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Reply #9 - May 3^rd, 2007 at 3:35pm

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JSpahn wrote on May 3^rd, 2007 at 2:54pm:

murjax wrote on May 3^rd, 2007 at 10:18am:

Weather or not another hurricane hits NY again, it's a good idea for them to have safety plans. First off, they need to get better windows. They need to be bulletproof windows that can fit in between the outside and the inside of the building. That way they can't be blown out or blown in. Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration are fires. A good modern idea would be to install pipes everywhere inside the building and if a fire happens, the pipes will take an anti flame liquid to the location of the fire. A very important thing in NY is transportation. The subway tunnels would need to be completly sealed off before a hurricane so that they don't get flooded. That sounds like a good idea now doesn't it?

Good luck with that! They cannot even figure out a way to quell traffic.

Well actually, they kind of did. They built a massive public transit system that extends from the NYC subways, to the Long Island Railroad(which covers almost all of Long Island) and to Connecticut. If NY didn't have this, NY would be clogged so badly that it wouldn't be able to operate.

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Reply #10 - May 11^th, 2007 at 9:09pm

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murjax wrote on May 3^rd, 2007 at 10:18am:

Weather or not another hurricane hits NY again, it's a good idea for them to have safety plans. First off, they need to get better windows. They need to be bulletproof windows that can fit in between the outside and the inside of the building. That way they can't be blown out or blown in.

Brilliant. and who is going to pay for replacing every window in NYC? Grin

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Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration are fires. A good modern idea would be to install pipes everywhere inside the building and if a fire happens, the pipes will take an anti flame liquid to the location of the fire.

Um... they already have that; it's called a "sprinkler system". Been a legal requirement for new construction in NYC for over 50 years, I believe... and the technology's been around longer than that.

The "anti flame" liquid is... water. Grin

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A very important thing in NY is transportation. The subway tunnels would need to be completly sealed off before a hurricane so that they don't get flooded. That sounds like a good idea now doesn't it?

Right. It would only take about a week to stop all the trains and get everybody out of there before you seal the system... Grin

Do us all a favor and don't go into civil engineering... Wink

New York has never been hit by a storm that required evacuation, but if it ever is, I really hope I'm not around when it happens. It would create havoc... although there is plenty of roadway and RR track to move many people inland from Manhattan, all the outer boroughs and all of long Island would likely have to pass through parts of the city as well. Not good. Shocked

One can only hope there'd be sufficient notice to avoid a panic.

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Reply #11 - May 11^th, 2007 at 10:05pm

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Governments learn by doing because they never take advice.

Just before Hurricane Andrew (1992) the State of Florida decided to evacuate about a million people from Homestead to Orlando. Good idea. Florida has a 2-3 lane turnpike that could easily be opened to an exclusively 4-6 lane northbound road.

But then the bureaucrats got involved.

They couldn't close the southbound lanes to go northbound - safety problems.

The turnpike is a toll road. Every vehicle going north had to stop and pay toll.

Result: The turnpike was clogged beyond belief. People slept in their cars at rest areas.

Someone kicked the bureaucrats' butts and now every time a hurricane is expected to hit South Florida (72 hours) the southbound lanes are closed and are converted to northbound. All tolls are suspended.

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Reply #12 - May 12^th, 2007 at 12:42am

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beaky wrote on May 11^th, 2007 at 9:09pm:

murjax wrote on May 3^rd, 2007 at 10:18am:

Weather or not another hurricane hits NY again, it's a good idea for them to have safety plans. First off, they need to get better windows. They need to be bulletproof windows that can fit in between the outside and the inside of the building. That way they can't be blown out or blown in.

Brilliant. and who is going to pay for replacing every window in NYC? Grin

Well the city would if it became a priority. It's just an idea.

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Reply #13 - May 12^th, 2007 at 12:46am

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beaky wrote on May 11^th, 2007 at 9:09pm:

murjax wrote on May 3^rd, 2007 at 10:18am:

[quote]Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration are fires. A good modern idea would be to install pipes everywhere inside the building and if a fire happens, the pipes will take an anti flame liquid to the location of the fire.

Um... they already have that; it's called a "sprinkler system". Been a legal requirement for new construction in NYC for over 50 years, I believe... and the technology's been around longer than that.

The "anti flame" liquid is... water. Grin

But water won't stick to the surface to keep the building safe from burning. There's a project going with fire departments in California where they are developing and anti-flamable liquid that would stick to the surface for days and prevent it from burning. It would be much more efficient than water.

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Reply #14 - May 12^th, 2007 at 12:49am

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beaky wrote on May 11^th, 2007 at 9:09pm:

[quote author=murjax link=1176776265/0#7 date=1178201910]

Do us all a favor and don't go into civil engineering... Wink

I didn't say I was. These are just little ideas that I have.

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New York has never been hit by a storm that required evacuation, but if it ever is, I really hope I'm not around when it happens. It would create havoc... although there is plenty of roadway and RR track to move many people inland from Manhattan, all the outer boroughs and all of long Island would likely have to pass through parts of the city as well. Not good. Shocked

One can only hope there'd be sufficient notice to avoid a panic.

Well for Long Island the best thing for them is to add more ferries and ferry service to Connecticut. That would get Long Islanders inland without having to cram the city more.

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