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Attacking w/ wingmen (Read 2207 times)
Mar 20
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Does anyone know if there is a way to get wingmen to follow you through an attack, but actually fire and not just stay on your wing while you fire?
For example, if I want to attack a ship, I can just make an attack run and my wingman will follow me but not fire. Or I can order him to attack the ship, but he will do his own thing. So the only way to make a coordinated attack will be for me to order him to attack and then I follow him in.
Is there any other way to do it?
*edit* Ok, and I have another question. How do I create a bombsite for a plane, like the one I've seen for the mosquito, where it's a separate little window on the screen somewhere?
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Mar 20
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It depends on the intelligence of the AI pilot. It seems the AI pilots got better the longer they live, in campaigns anyway.
Not ever having the Mosquito, I don't know exactly what you mean about the gunsight. I've had luck drawing my own gunsights with Irfanview, MS Paint, and Paint Shop Pro. The frames are easy enough. The glass takes practice, but isn't really difficult if you have any talent and ubderstand shading and depth. Just remember to save in .BMP format.
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Once I create the sight how do I get it in my plane?
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Mar 21
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The way I do it is to first make a copy of the panel file. This is a little protection in case something screws up. I then open the copied file in any .bmp compatible drawing program and draw the sight onto the panel and save when satisfied. Name the file the same as the original. Move the original to safe place and replace it with new one. Run CFS and see if it works. If you aren't satisfied the original still exists to replace the new panel.
Simviation forum member Hagar has a some nice tutorials at
Grumpy's Lair
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Mar 22
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Maybe I should have been more clear. I was hoping to make a bomb sight that could be viewed as a separate window. The bomb sight would be angle down at 45 degress or something. This would make level bombing a little easier for planes like the b-25.
Here is an example:
http://www.simviation.com/files/cfs/GRYPHONMOSQPANEL.zip
They also have a mosquito with a bombsight view you see using the look down view. This may be simpler. How do I set up a certain panel to show up when I select a certain view. Let's say I want to see the bombsight (or a big red cross, to keep things simple) when I look down, instead of the floor of the cockpit. How do I do this?
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Mar 22
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Oooooo, I see. I'm sure it can be done, but will require editing the panel.cfg file. It seems feasable that the bombsight file could replace the normal look down view. It's been a while since I edited the panel.cfg. I remember it not being hard, just a lot of trial and error. I strongly advise experimenting on a copy of the panel.cfg and keeping the original in a safe place.
The link you provided seems unlikely to be of use in your situation. It states "the bombsight must be specifically set up for an aircraft model. It is not "Plug and Play" to just any model in your hangar. It is also experimental.
I am now downloading a B-29 panel w/bombsight from the FS98 section. Hopefully it will show what editing needs to be done.
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Mar 22
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I just spotted this. My Fox Four colleague Mike Eustace has been working on a panel including a level bombing bombsight for a forthcoming new campaign in the CFS2 Korea series. By all accounts it works extremely well. If you can wait a little longer you could use that.
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Let's say I want to see the bombsight (or a big red cross, to keep things simple)
You could always use the old CFS2.cfg cheat for now.
[CHEATS]
bomb_trainer=1
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Cfo Weather
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Mar 22
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Mushroom_Farmer wrote
on Mar 22
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, 2007 at 5:58pm:
Oooooo, I see. I'm sure it can be done, but will require editing the panel.cfg file. It seems feasable that the bombsight file could replace the normal look down view. It's been a while since I edited the panel.cfg. I remember it not being hard, just a lot of trial and error. I strongly advise experimenting on a copy of the panel.cfg and keeping the original in a safe place.
The link you provided seems unlikely to be of use in your situation. It states "the bombsight must be specifically set up for an aircraft model. It is not "Plug and Play" to just any model in your hangar. It is also experimental.
I am now downloading a B-29 panel w/bombsight from the FS98 section. Hopefully it will show what editing needs to be done.
I looked in a few panel config files, and I think I kind of see how things work, but I'm not sure how to set it. So let me how that B-29 works out!
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Mar 22
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Hagar wrote
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I just spotted this. My Fox Four colleague Mike Eustace has been working on a panel including a level bombing bombsight for a forthcoming new campaign in the CFS2 Korea series. By all accounts it works extremely well. If you can wait a little longer you could use that.
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Let's say I want to see the bombsight (or a big red cross, to keep things simple)
You could always use the old CFS2.cfg cheat for now.
[CHEATS]
bomb_trainer=1
This is switchable with
Cfo Weather
installed.
Intersting. I had no idea about the bomb cheat. I'm not sure if that will geve me what I'm looking for though. I set up a lot of low-level bombing missions for the B-25, so it kind of needs to be a sight that I can access quickly from the cockpit while still flying level.
Also, I just realized that my panel is covering up the tactical display and damage text. Is this a setting I can change somewhere, or should I look for a new panel?
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Mar 22
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Basically, you add another window to the panel.cfg. Normally the .cfg will have window00=(panel filename). You would add window01=(2nd panel filename) below the 1st window entry. You would then add the parameters for panel #2 below those for panel #1. Any guages can be added also.
There's a Panel Making & Editing utility out there. I've used it and works well, the name escapes me though. I believe I found it in the Simviation utililities area. Maybe Doug(aka Hagar, aka Grumpy) will know what I'm refering too.
The B-29 sight is for altitudes from 5,000ft. - 15,000ft. I don't know what speed though.
I'd forgoten about the CFS2 bomb cheat, never used it. Wish I had Doug's memory.
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Mar 22
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Cfo Weather is a great utility if only for the bomb 'cheat'. In practical terms it's a CCIP (continuous calculation of impact point) like in modern jet's ground attack function. It is therefore independant of altitude and speed. In a WW2 bomber the bombardier usually controlled the a/c in the run up to target, but his sights could be adjusted to exact altitude and speed. The bomb 'cheat' is a superfast bombardier! I have found it by far the easiest sight to use in level bombing ops. Hits are not guaranteed, though, but they do get close!
One thing I have run up against with panels are a/c made prior to FS2000 which have a virtual cockpit. Any time I try to add a new panel I either get nothing or I get the new panel AND the VC showing together which kinda defeats the purpose. As the VC is a part of the model in those cases there is no section of the panel.cfg to bypass it. Does anyone know of a way to add a pop-up panel in the forward view (like the throttle panel) that will show me a view to the rear?
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Mar 22
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, 2007 at 11:58pm
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I looked in the panel cfg file and i think I have the general idea of what to do. But what if I want the second window to be looking forward at a 45 degree angle? I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to get everyone to do the work for me, but I'm pretty new at this and I don't have a ton of time to work on this sort of thing.
Also, I looked for panel editors and couldn't find anything for free.
And...I found a panel I'm happy with but it covers the tactical display and any messages displayed. Is there a way to change this?
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Mar 23
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burninator wrote
on Mar 22
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I looked in the panel cfg file and i think I have the general idea of what to do. But what if I want the second window to be looking forward at a 45 degree angle? I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to get everyone to do the work for me, but I'm pretty new at this and I don't have a ton of time to work on this sort of thing.
After some thought, it occured to me the normal panel view is 2D. It seems that the 45° bombsight would be a problem. However, the panel's bombsight window could be drawn to look like it's at a 45° angle. Possibley it could be done in virtual cockpit.
I never ventured into that territory.
If the panel could be made to incorporate the [CHEAT], bomb_trainer=1 mod it would make things easier. I don't know if the mod would open in secondary window. It'll just take some experimenting.
After some looking, I believe the panel editor I used may have been CfgEdit. I remember it would allow one to plop gauges in the panel and it would enter their location in the .cfg file, saving lots of manual editing.
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And...I found a panel I'm happy with but it covers the tactical display and any messages displayed. Is there a way to change this?
Not really. Might try raising or lowering the seat to better see the messages. The tactilal can be moved like any other window.
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I set up a lot of low-level bombing missions for the B-25, so it kind of needs to be a sight that I can access quickly from the cockpit while still flying level.
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Does anyone know of a way to add a pop-up panel in the forward view (like the throttle panel) that will show me a view to the rear?
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After some thought, it occured to me the normal panel view is 2D. It seems that the 45° bombsight would be a problem
There are ways of doing all this. You would have to ask Mike exactly how it's done - or wait until his new panel is released.
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If the panel could be made to incorporate the [CHEAT], bomb_trainer=1 mod it would make things easier.
The Bomb Trainer cheat is a feature of CFS. It's not part of the panel. It's either OFF or ON but switchable via Cfo Weather.
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One thing I have run up against with panels are a/c made prior to FS2000 which have a virtual cockpit. Any time I try to add a new panel I either get nothing or I get the new panel AND the VC showing together which kinda defeats the purpose. As the VC is a part of the model in those cases there is no section of the panel.cfg to bypass it.
These will be FS2000-style panels with extra side & quarter view windows. They're intended for aircraft without a DVC like the FS2000 defaults. The extra windows can be easily removed by manually editing Panel.cfg. It's also possible to remove the DVC if you wish.
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Also, I looked for panel editors and couldn't find anything for free.
Look in the Simviation
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Mar 23
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Well, given the amount of time I have to spend on this, I'll wait if someone else is working on something.
But...who's mike?
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burninator wrote
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Well, given the amount of time I have to spend on this, I'll wait if someone else is working on something.
But...who's mike?
You're not paying attention, Mike Eustace is my Fox Four colleague & CFS2 panel designer extraordinaire. I've spoken to him & arranged to get his latest A-26 Invader panel posted on the Fox Four site. Have a little patience & all will be revealed.
I posted a link to the Panel Design section in my previous reply. CfgEdit is the first file posted in that section.
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Hi All,
The mossie bombsight is a group of gauges. They are installed in the Panel.cfg file.
For the B25 you should get my overhauled stock version it comes with the bombsight installed.
The TBD and the Kate also have it in their panels.
This bombsight only works in full screen mode it will not work in a Window.
Hope this helps,
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Hagar wrote
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burninator wrote
on Mar 23
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Well, given the amount of time I have to spend on this, I'll wait if someone else is working on something.
But...who's mike?
You're not paying attention, Mike Eustace is my Fox Four colleague & CFS2 panel designer extraordinaire. I've spoken to him & arranged to get his latest A-26 Invader panel posted on the Fox Four site. Have a little patience & all will be revealed.
I posted a link to the Panel Design section in my previous reply. CfgEdit is the first file posted in that section.
Sorry. I looked back through the posts and saw the references to Mike. My bad. I tried to download CfgEdit already and I couldn't get it to work. Like I said, I can't spend too much time on it, so I don't think I'll be able to try and create my own.
Thanks for all your help everyone. I'm new to this stuff, so thanks for being patient!
B-24 Guy - I downloaded the overhauled B-25 and got the bombsight to work!...sort of...The pink and yellow cross hairs move around in a way that doesn't really make sense to me. For example, if I let the aircraft fly level, both sights will eventually move to the top of the screen, so the accuracy was never really dead on, and most of the time was completely off. I tried adjusting the 'angle' knob, but it didn't move at all. Is that supposed to do something? Is the sight behaving as it should? Do you have any instructions for how to use it?
Thanks so much for all your help!
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burninator wrote
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I tried to download CfgEdit already and I couldn't get it to work.
I don't know why that should be. Never mind, you can be the first to try Mike's A-26 panel
HERE
Read the instructions very carefully.
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Hagar wrote
on Mar 25
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burninator wrote
on Mar 24
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I tried to download CfgEdit already and I couldn't get it to work.
I don't know why that should be. Never mind, you can be the first to try Mike's A-26 panel
HERE
Read the instructions very carefully.
Downloaded the panel and it's great! It's pretty much exactly what I was looking for. I made some small adjustments to the bombsight .bmp and changed the angle to 40 degrees to get the sight to work for <500ft bomb runs. Now it's pretty much dead-on if I zoom out once.
Unfortunately, I didn't have a chance to try it out from 5000 ft and 10000 ft at the recommended speeds. If I get a chance I'll download another bomber to use for high level bomb runs and try the panel out with the stock set-up.
Thank you guys for all your help. I really appreciate it!
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[/quote]
B-24 Guy - I downloaded the overhauled B-25 and got the bombsight to work!...sort of...The pink and yellow cross hairs move around in a way that doesn't really make sense to me. For example, if I let the aircraft fly level, both sights will eventually move to the top of the screen, so the accuracy was never really dead on, and most of the time was completely off. I tried adjusting the 'angle' knob, but it didn't move at all. Is that supposed to do something? Is the sight behaving as it should? Do you have any instructions for how to use it?
Thanks so much for all your help!
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Hi Burninator,
It is working. Try this, use the autopilot to hold the alt. for you. Use the angle knob until the sights are near the bottom of the screen. Look for the target to appear and make adj. until the target is centered when the target and both sights line up drop your bombs.
With a little practice you will be droping them right on target.
The best thing is the sight automaticily adj. itself for alt.
You will find that it is the only bomb sight that really works.
Rgards,
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Thanks B-24 Guy. I couldn't get the angle knob to to anything.
But like I said above, the bombsight for you're B-26 was exactly what I was looking for, so I stick with that! Thanks!
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Hi guys. I downloaded both the A26 and OH B25 files in the hope of learning some more about the panel.cfg file. I think I will, but it'll take a while.
My preference is the B25 bomb sight; fixed sights are just not good enough. I will agree with burninator though, the angle button doesn't move. If I place the cursor over it a small + sign appears but that's it. The angle is set at 20 degrees and won't budge.
What angle is it that it represents? As there are 2 cross hairs I'm guessing one is meant to sit over the target and the other represents the bomb fall position (like the Norden)?
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When you get the "+ " sign..Click it.
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B24Guy wrote
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When you get the "+ " sign..Click it.
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This didn't do anything...
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That is weird.
I get the + or - sign click the mouse and the view angle changes.
Don't know why it does not work for you. Have you made any changes to the Panel.cfg file?
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