Simviation Forum - Save our Arrows!

Feb 21^st, 2007 at 6:12pm

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Just let our PM know that we really do want our Red Arrows. I fear they are following Concorde. Hasn't anyone heard of keeping things going with the money side of things kept out?
Brits only can vote.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveTheReds/

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Reply #1 - Feb 21^st, 2007 at 6:19pm

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to be fair the PM has little to do with this.
the MOD the RAF and defense minister are the ones this needs to go through.

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Reply #2 - Feb 21^st, 2007 at 7:19pm

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Of course the PM hasn't any influence. Wink

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Reply #3 - Feb 21^st, 2007 at 7:21pm

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Saitek wrote on Feb 21^st, 2007 at 7:19pm:

Of course the PM hasn't any influence. Wink

I doubt that he cares very much either way.

This latest trend of government by petition worries me. Just another gimmick.

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Reply #4 - Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 8:00am

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Try Mr Brown, our illustrious coffer-controller. Unfortunately for all the services, and he being a Labour polititian, he views the services as being predominently "Tory", hence the lack of any major spending increases under the current government (despite getting involved in two major conflicts).

Strangley enough, the service tend to have Tory leanings, and given the evidence its not difficult to se why! Grin

Having said that, the Arrows do get a lot of corporate money (BAE SYSTEMS, Total (fuels) et al...) so I don't think we have too much to worry about in the long term...

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Reply #5 - Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 10:46am

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What prompted this, I have not seen or read anything to suggest the Reds are approaching their last flight?

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Reply #6 - Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 11:07am

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expat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 10:46am:

What prompted this, I have not seen or read anything to suggest the Reds are approaching their last flight?

http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1083

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Reply #7 - Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 11:42am

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The Reds as a team would probably be safe. The main thrust of these articles was after the Navy slashing debacle announced in January. There are a few potential stumbling blocks for the Reds though, mostly budget related.

Scampton is a bit of a problem. Arguably the RAF's most historic base it has infrastructure problems. Units that were meant to move there have ended up elsewhere (remembering Scampton/Waddo was being planned as a big ISTAR base when the ASTOR arrived to complement the E3D and Rod R1). IIRC the runway needs resurfacing (muchos cash) and on top of this, Doncaster (tenuous link) Robin Hood International Airport is the latest minor regional airport trying to get too big for its boot and hae some controlled airspace, which would probably (almost certainly) overlap with the Scampton Danger area (5nm radius up to 9000ft!) - bad news for Reds operations. Alternatives have been suggested such as Leeming, but that for example has the very busy A1 next to it - imagine the increase in accidents of the Reds were there - not to mention the problems they had operating out of Cranwell for the time after Scampton closed originally...

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Reply #8 - Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 12:00pm

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Charlie wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 11:42am:

Scampton is a bit of a problem. Arguably the RAF's most historic base it has infrastructure problems.

Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that.

Quoted from Hansard 25 Jan 2007 : Column 1944W http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmhansrd/cm070125/text/70125w0...
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RAF Coltishall and RAF Scampton

Mr. Ellwood: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the future of (a) RAF Coltishall and (b) RAF Scampton. [116947]

Mr. Ingram [holding answer 22 January 2007]: Former RAF Coltishall has been declared surplus to defence requirements and is currently in the process of disposal.

An element of the United Kingdom’s Air Surveillance and Control System, one of the Air Combat Service Support Units and the RAF Acrobatic Team are based at RAF Scampton. The RAF is conducting studies to consider basing options for these units and this may affect the future of RAF Scampton. No decisions have yet been taken.

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Reply #9 - Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 3:26pm

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Well I signed it on the grounds B.Liar rarely does anything that makes him REALLY unpopular in the tabloids Grin

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