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Reply #15 - Feb 1^st, 2007 at 3:47pm

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ahh the xj220, beauty and the beast in one go. Still one of my all time favourate sports cars.
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Reply #16 - Feb 1^st, 2007 at 5:53pm

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I don't know if the XJ220 is the appropriate comparison to the Enzo, it wasn't at the top of the food chain in its day. A beautiful car, but heavy, and not what it should have been (originally slated for a V12, it ended up with a turbo V6). Frankly, despite being slower, I still have more appreciation for the McLaren F1. But if I were to buy a super-duper car today it would have to be the Carrera GT. Not a great looker, but it seems to me to be the most fun of the modern super-dupers.

Jaguar has a real history for beautiful cars though (pitty they haven't made a real sports car since the E-type).

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Reply #17 - Feb 1^st, 2007 at 6:06pm

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Chris_F wrote on Feb 1^st, 2007 at 10:30am:

I don't think beauty was the intent...

Fair enough, but there can be beautiful and fast cars, too...

Anything with an Aston Martin badge......except that ugly 1970's pig, the Lagonda. That should never have seen daylight and should have been put down at birth.

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Reply #18 - Feb 1^st, 2007 at 7:38pm

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expat wrote on Feb 1^st, 2007 at 6:06pm:

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Chris_F wrote on Feb 1^st, 2007 at 10:30am:

I don't think beauty was the intent...

Fair enough, but there can be beautiful and fast cars, too...

Anything with an Aston Martin badge......except that ugly 1970's pig, the Lagonda. That should never have seen daylight and should have been put down at birth.

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Reply #19 - Feb 1^st, 2007 at 11:50pm

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Who in the world will drive a car that only did 9 miles up to a speed of 200 miles an hour (320 Km/h) on a public road?

Its not that suprising...when someone gets a new performance car the first thing they want to do is open it up to see what it does. Combine that with an inexperienced driver and it is very easy to understand how something like this car happen. I have personally had the honor of driving a car in the 600hp range (I believe the Enzo's make about 650hp) and this same car made about 650ft/lbs of torque (compared to the Enzo's 485ft/lbs) and it is an amazing feeling. If you are not prepaired for it and don't take it easy at first (...or are showing off) then bad things can happen very quickly.

I will never forget the first time I got behind the wheel of a car like that, it is something that words don't really describe but I completely understand how this could have happened...with one very minor mistake.

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Reply #20 - Feb 1^st, 2007 at 11:54pm

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Fair enough, but there can be beautiful and fast cars, too...

I agree, I have never cared for the look of the Enzo. But, I believe one of these fits both catagories:

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Reply #21 - Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 12:02am

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The Saleen S7 is my favourite super car.

http://www.saleen.com/saleen_s7_main.htm

It kills most other supercars in nearly all aspects, and to top it off, it has a V8. Grin

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Reply #22 - Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 6:27am

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from the saleen site
"while providing a distinctly American driving
experience for the fortunate few who will own one"

I'm sorry but in a car that goes 200mph+ the last thing I want is a distinct American driving experience.
I'd like something with a good suspension, brakes that actually stop the car in a reasonable distance, and a steering wheel thats not so light to turn that driving with the window down is a hazard. Shocked

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Reply #23 - Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 9:44am

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Chris_F wrote on Feb 1^st, 2007 at 5:53pm:

A beautiful car, but heavy, and not what it should have been (originally slated for a V12, it ended up with a turbo V6).

The better choice. A unique, lightweight Biturbo V6 rather than a clumsy, heavy V12.

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Reply #24 - Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 9:46am

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Craig. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 6:27am:

from the saleen site
"while providing a distinctly American driving
experience for the fortunate few who will own one"

I'm sorry but in a car that goes 200mph+ the last thing I want is a distinct American driving experience.
I'd like something with a good suspension, brakes that actually stop the car in a reasonable distance, and a steering wheel thats not so light to turn that driving with the window down is a hazard. Shocked

I thought you'd be asking for a steering wheel that actually allowed the car to turn. Huh

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Reply #25 - Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 10:57am

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Chris_F wrote on Feb 1^st, 2007 at 5:53pm:

A beautiful car, but heavy, and not what it should have been (originally slated for a V12, it ended up with a turbo V6).

The better choice. A unique, lightweight Biturbo V6 rather than a clumsy, heavy V12.

Or a twin turbo V8? Grin

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Reply #26 - Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 11:06am

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Chris_F wrote on Feb 1^st, 2007 at 5:53pm:

A beautiful car, but heavy, and not what it should have been (originally slated for a V12, it ended up with a turbo V6).

The better choice. A unique, lightweight Biturbo V6 rather than a clumsy, heavy V12.

A force fed V6 will never have the smooth, instantaneous feel of a V12. V6's are inherently imbalanced (meaning they vibrate). Turbos necessarily lag (modern ones are almost lag free but the XJ220 didn't use modern turbos). Torque application in a turbo car is difficult due to lag, and all the more critical in a mid-engined beast. You don't want a turbo kicking in as you're gingerly exiting a corner (unless you're last name is Piquet or Prost or Senna or something). It's a design tradeoff between driveability, packaging, weight, and other factors. But most importantly it (and all sports cars) are about passion. And a V12 has way more sex appeal than a turbo V6.

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Reply #27 - Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 11:11am

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The Saleen S7 is my favourite super car.

http://www.saleen.com/saleen_s7_main.htm

It kills most other supercars in nearly all aspects, and to top it off, it has a V8. Grin

Those Saleens are impressive performers but unfortunately are little more than kit cars. They just don't have the fit and finish of an Enzo. If you want outright speed there are plenty of ways to get there, but it's the rare car that combines speed with a measure of luxury like an Enzo. For example:

http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/GTM/GTMkit.html

Possibly faster than an Enzo in a straight line, race car handling, and a steal at about $40-$50k. But not exactly a luxury mobile (having seen one though they aren't exactly awful but they aren't exactly luxury).

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Reply #28 - Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 12:49pm

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Chris_F wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 11:06am:

And a V12 has way more sex appeal than a turbo V6.

Tell that to the 47000cm³, 1500hp Biturbo V12 of a Leopard 2.

It had as much sex appeal as an overweight, noisy, smelly chick.

And it consumed more like an american car (hard to beat!) - 7l diesel per kilometer.

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Reply #29 - Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 3:15pm

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Craig. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 6:27am:

from the saleen site
"while providing a distinctly American driving
experience for the fortunate few who will own one"

I'm sorry but in a car that goes 200mph+ the last thing I want is a distinct American driving experience.
I'd like something with a good suspension, brakes that actually stop the car in a reasonable distance, and a steering wheel thats not so light to turn that driving with the window down is a hazard. Shocked

Jeremy Clarkson could not have put it better Grin

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