Simviation Forum - Yorktown

Jan 22^nd, 2007 at 1:57pm

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I missed the initial anniversary dates but here's one for naval historians:
What association does Bon Homme Richard have in relation to something about midway in the Pacific?

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Reply #1 - Jan 22^nd, 2007 at 2:11pm

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While still under construction, the name of CV 10 was changed from Bonhomme Richard to Yorktown, the previous Yorktown was lost three months earlier at the Battle of Midway.....A wild stab via Wikipedia Embarrassed

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Reply #2 - Jan 22^nd, 2007 at 3:30pm

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I tried not to make it too wild by providing
"Yorktown" and "midway in the Pacific!" Wink

The CV-10, an Essex-class aircraft carrier, was put to
construction at Newport News, VA, just 6 days prior to
the infamous attack at Pearl Harbor. The event you
speak of took place on September 26, 1942,
commemorating the CV-5, the CV-10 being launched
on January 21, 1943; having christened the CV-5 in
1937, Eleanore Roosevelt rushed forward to do so for
the CV-10 when it jumped the gun for launch. It
wasn't until April 15, 1943, that it was finally
commissioned at Norfolk, VA, captained by
Joseph J. Clark.
However, the CV/CVS-10 had other fame than actual
combat; something quite ironic took place in December
of 1968...

Official U.S. Navy Photograph, National Archives (photo # 80-G-K-14379), Scott Dyben

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Reply #3 - Jan 23^rd, 2007 at 8:46am

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Apollo 8, per chance?

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Reply #4 - Jan 23^rd, 2007 at 11:11am

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She was used for the filming of Tora! Tora! Tora! which recreated the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

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Reply #5 - Jan 23^rd, 2007 at 2:23pm

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Here's a quiz for you WWII Pacific Theater buffs:

William "Bull" Halsey was one of the more famous admirals in the Pacific. In his wartime career, he had two glaring and IMHO huge blunders that needlessly cost lives. What were they?

TURKEY TROTS TO WATER GG WHERE IS RPT WHERE IS TASK FORCE 34 RR THE WORLD WONDERS

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Reply #6 - Jan 23^rd, 2007 at 2:42pm

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expat wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2007 at 11:11am:

She was used for the filming of Tora! Tora! Tora! which recreated the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Matt

The ironic twist was that she was wearing a lot of makeup for what ship whose fate rests where?

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Reply #7 - Jan 23^rd, 2007 at 3:02pm

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Yorktown played Yorktown. Nice. Grin

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Reply #8 - Jan 23^rd, 2007 at 3:33pm

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dcunning30 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2007 at 2:23pm:

Here's a quiz for you WWII Pacific Theater buffs:
William "Bull" Halsey was one of the more famous admirals in the Pacific. In his wartime career, he had two glaring and IMHO huge blunders that needlessly cost lives. What were they?

I'm not the greatest in naval history, if in any, but I'm aware that he searched for Pearl Harbor's attackers a couple days late and was also turned back from Wake Island, whose defenders, opening fire with their WW1 batteries, had tossed the Japanese attackers a staggering initial defeat and continued holding on for reinforcement. Wake's defenders were truly, unnecessarily, deserted... but I don't believe the command call was Halsey's; certainly is difficult to receive clear messages out in the middle of the ocean, though...
*Neither was his choice of engagement his best performance in Leyte Gulf*
'Tis hindsight -- not so sure we would have done better.

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Reply #9 - Jan 23^rd, 2007 at 3:37pm

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Quote:

Yorktown played Yorktown. Nice. Grin

Try again -- that's the ironic twist... it was not playing the part of its predecessor.

Edit: remember that none of the U.S. carriers were at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 (finally arrived on the 8th).

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Reply #10 - Jan 23^rd, 2007 at 4:49pm

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H wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2007 at 2:42pm:

expat wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2007 at 11:11am:

She was used for the filming of Tora! Tora! Tora! which recreated the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Matt

The ironic twist was that she was wearing a lot of makeup for what ship whose fate rests where?

A very bad makeup job for IJN Akagi, Nagumo's flagship.

Oh yea, Akagi is laying at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean north by northwest of Midway.

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Reply #11 - Jan 23^rd, 2007 at 10:01pm

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An SBD "Dauntless" passes over USS Yorktown (CV-5).
Planes parked aft appear to be TBD torpedo planes, indicating
the photo was taken sometime before 0840 hrs, 4 June 1942,
when Yorktown launched her aircraft to attack the Japanese
aircraft carrier force:

Enterprise and Yorktown planes attack the Kaga, Agaki and Soryu:

Japan lost 4 carriers at Midway. The Akagi had kept afloat but became the first Japanese
ship to be scuttled by its own ships at 30°30'N, 179°08'W.
The U.S. lost only one carrier. The Yorktown also remained afloat but finally succumbed to torpedo hits by an IJN submarine. She sank near 30°36'N, 176°34'W.

As to the CV-10 Yorktown, it undertook some overhauls (becoming the CSV-10); saw action in WW2, Korea and Vietnam... it is now in museum status, the oldest aircraft carrier yet afloat.

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Reply #12 - Jan 24^th, 2007 at 9:10am

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Neat, 'though the Essex-class carriers (and everything that came before) are not quite my point of interest. I prefer everthing that came after those and before the swimming nukes.

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Reply #13 - Jan 25^th, 2007 at 4:04am

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USS Yorktown, CV-10 also had another distinction. She was the first ship to carry and use color film for her aircraft gun cameras and shipboard documentation during World War II. It wasn't until the Dry I, USS Intrepid, relieved her in late 1944 that another carrier began using color film.

As far as Halsey's blunders could you be refering to the two typhonns he sailed into are you? In both cases he lost more men and ships that in any battle to date.

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Reply #14 - Jan 25^th, 2007 at 5:38am

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Papa9571 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2007 at 4:04am:

USS Yorktown, CV-10 also had another distinction. She was the first ship to carry and use color film...

Liked the camera, didn't she...
and still so at museum.

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