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Jan 22nd, 2007 at 12:18pm

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Does anybody have any info about An-225 number two?
I found this pic on airliners.net
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0699985
Is there any other pics of this aircraft anywhere?
 

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Reply #1 - Jan 22nd, 2007 at 12:56pm

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Construction continuation is 'by market demand'

Considering that this one isnt exactly a real production type (which the An-124 is, with another 10 on order) you arent going to see much progress... but it will be finished sometime in the future
 

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Reply #2 - Jan 22nd, 2007 at 6:09pm
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Did somebody say my name?  Cheesy

Well I'm happy to hear that they will finish the construction in the future. Gonna have my trillions (or for you uninformed civilians) my millions out to buy the 1st/2nd plane.  Smiley Smiley
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 23rd, 2007 at 1:03pm

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How much would it cost to buy both  Grin

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Reply #4 - Jan 23rd, 2007 at 6:38pm
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Hmmm... due to its size I can estimate that it would cost...roughly 400 million US placing it just over the E-4B. Double that and $800 mil. Add to the fact that russia won't want to give up that plane and it becomes roughly 1 billion to purchase both.  Wink
 
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Reply #5 - Jan 24th, 2007 at 4:28am
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I doubt you could buy the AN-225 for 400 million $. I'd say 180-280 million, or even less. Though, I doubt Antonov (or whoever owns it?) would sell it.
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 24th, 2007 at 5:02am
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*cough* Yes it would. *cough* The E-4B, which is a 747, costs $250 mil US. A 747 costs, $200 mil US. An An-225 which is MUCH larger than a 747 should cost in upwards of about $350 mil. US. And also that is why I added the extra 200 million to bribe Antonov to let me buy it.  Grin
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 26th, 2007 at 5:18pm

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Hmmm...

... maybe I'll look for something somewhat smaller  Grin
 

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Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2007 at 9:28am

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How are the extra
's and a discount? Grin
 
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Reply #9 - Feb 6th, 2007 at 11:33am
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The extras when you buy both are:

Illuminated ash-trays;
(Fake) leather seats;
37 inch alloy rims with spinners;
and a original 2x25W Kenwoodski soundsystem.

Crash Wink

PS discount? Njet!
 
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Reply #10 - Feb 7th, 2007 at 2:50am
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lol. I can't wait to turn it into a flying house. Cheesy Sooo much refurbishing involved. And since its the most beautiful design on Earth (Sorry Super Connie!) I HAVE to buy it. And then a model of it. Any one know where I can get a model of the 225? Wink
 
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Reply #11 - Feb 7th, 2007 at 4:35am
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Reply #12 - Feb 7th, 2007 at 10:09am
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*cough* Yes it would. *cough* The E-4B, which is a 747, costs $250 mil US. A 747 costs, $200 mil US. An An-225 which is MUCH larger than a 747 should cost in upwards of about $350 mil. US. And also that is why I added the extra 200 million to bribe Antonov to let me buy it.  Grin


Bigger doesnt mean its more expensive.  I mean, a ferrari is small and it costs a couple hundred thousand.  A big truck, like a chevy or something, is only 30, 40, or 50,000 at the most
 
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Reply #13 - Feb 7th, 2007 at 8:25pm
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Ah thank you Sir. Crashalot! I must have missed that miniature An-225 during the 350, 000, 000, 00 times I have searched google for one.  Grin All the rest were expensive mahogony models that I couldn't afford. Wink

And Jakemaster I see what you're saying...but think of the materials used on it. SIX engines. VAST amounts of metal. 32 heavy duty rubber tyres.  Wink
 
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Reply #14 - Feb 8th, 2007 at 9:48am
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Ah thank you Sir. Crashalot! I must have missed that miniature An-225 during the 350, 000, 000, 00 times I have searched google for one.  Grin All the rest were expensive mahogony models that I couldn't afford. Wink

And Jakemaster I see what you're saying...but think of the materials used on it. SIX engines. VAST amounts of metal. 32 heavy duty rubber tyres.  Wink


Again, bigger doesnt mean better.  Lots of metal, but what kind of metal?  Some is cheaper than others.  6 engines, but how much is each engine?

Just because its bigger don't assume it costs more.  Avionics?  Think of what a new 747 has and compare it to what the AN225 has, most likely the avionics cost more in the 747.
 
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Reply #15 - Feb 20th, 2007 at 5:14am

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Jake, in this industry most materials are pretty much required for a plane, so you could pretty easily assume that the costs go up with the amount of materials used, not looking at the design but only at the amount of materials used. If we would only look at the production of it, then i'd say it would be more expensive then your average 747. But, the 747 has gone trough a lot of designs, wich all require man power to create, and thus make extra costs. Then again, the 747 can be easier produced on a asembly line, wich also makes it quite cost effective in this case.
 
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Reply #16 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 4:46pm

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Imagine seeing that thing in UPS or Fedex colors.
 

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Reply #17 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 5:05pm

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Again, bigger doesnt mean better.  Lots of metal, but what kind of metal?  Some is cheaper than others.  6 engines, but how much is each engine?

AFAIK Loratev is lagging for replacement production already as Russian Airforce, Polet, Volga Dnepr and the other customers want theirs to have the new quieter version of the engines to keep their machines legal in Europe, so getting six new ones is quite a difficult task.

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Jake, in this industry most materials are pretty much required for a plane, so you could pretty easily assume that the costs go up with the amount of materials used, not looking at the design but only at the amount of materials used. If we would only look at the production of it, then i'd say it would be more expensive then your average 747. But, the 747 has gone trough a lot of designs, wich all require man power to create, and thus make extra costs. Then again, the 747 can be easier produced on a asembly line, wich also makes it quite cost effective in this case.

As it is basically the same machine as the An-124 with more fuselage length, the basic structure isnt the problem (as you can see on the pictures). Problem areas are the wings (not production standard) and a redesign involving the rear fuselage getting rid of the shuttle attachment frame...
 

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Reply #18 - Mar 6th, 2007 at 1:07pm

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How can you guesstimate how much a plane will cost without knowing the particulars?  Of course bigger means more expensive, but how much more expensive can only be arrived at by having some level of analysis performed.

What if all the parts needed are essentially a sort-of off-the-shelf quality?  What if the some of the parts needed have to be specially machined?  What if the machines needed no longer exist and have to be constructed first?
 

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Reply #19 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 12:23am
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The F-22 costs 350 million dollars. You know why? Because it has extremely advanced systems, not many will be made, and it is made out of RAM / composites.

The An-225 dosn't have extremely advanced systems, development cost was low, and it dosn't require mammoth auto-claves to cook it, and 75% of the parts are in common with the An-124.
 
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Reply #20 - Mar 15th, 2007 at 10:32pm

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$300 million is how much it would costs for the fuel.....just to take off.  Anyone who's seen the AN-124 take off would understand.  For some reason when they take off, they spend 10-15 minutes on the end of the runway running up the engines.  They blew away two weeks worth of dirt work we had just finished off the end of the runway where I worked.  Those bastards..... Grin
 
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Reply #21 - Apr 25th, 2007 at 4:39pm

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The AN-225 is a giant......it really dwarfed my C-172 while i was taxing past it last year while it had a quik stop over at CYQX (gander International, Newfoundland). The AN-225 causes some bad weight turbulance though lol i had to stay in the pattern for an extra 15 mins before the tower would give me clearance to land
 
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Reply #22 - Apr 26th, 2007 at 9:12pm

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PilotDude11 wrote on Apr 25th, 2007 at 4:39pm:
The AN-225 is a giant......it really dwarfed my C-172 while i was taxing past it last year while it had a quik stop over at CYQX (gander International, Newfoundland). The AN-225 causes some bad weight turbulance though lol i had to stay in the pattern for an extra 15 mins before the tower would give me clearance to land


I actually read a story of a C172 getting inverted by a 747LCFs wake turbulence.  Imagine what this thing would do.
 

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Reply #23 - Apr 27th, 2007 at 2:28am

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The flying An-225 'aint going nowhere for a while

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Reply #24 - Apr 27th, 2007 at 3:50am

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At least they got it repaired and made airworthy again to fly her to the factory for more subatantial work. It is nice to see she will be flying cargo again.
 
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Reply #25 - Apr 27th, 2007 at 5:09pm

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Papa9571 wrote on Apr 27th, 2007 at 3:50am:
At least they got it repaired and made airworthy again to fly her to the factory for more subatantial work. It is nice to see she will be flying cargo again.


Sounds like they lost hydro while kneeling causing the fuselage to crash into the front wheels (remember that it was loaded when the mishap happened)
Will probably have the whole lower part of the nose replaced in Kiev, but apparently they flew in a new nosegear pair and the necessary floor frames to get it flyable again
 

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Reply #26 - Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:39pm
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She will be fixed...right???  Embarrassed Cry
 
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Reply #27 - Apr 28th, 2007 at 2:42am

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She will be fixed...right???  Embarrassed Cry

Of course... because the customer wants it as the An-124 carries less volume and weight... With these planes you usually run out of weight before you run out of volume.
 

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Reply #28 - Apr 28th, 2007 at 4:46am

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And the US Military has utilized this aircraft to transport military supplies to the middle east in support of coalition forces.

Don't that just twist your crank

US Military using Russian aircraft......who would have thunk it?
 
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Reply #29 - Apr 28th, 2007 at 8:31pm
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Papa9571, I heard that the US Army is going to consider buying An-72/74 Coaler aircraft, and the US Navy, will consider the Il-78 Midas tanker. Crazy world, huh?
 
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Reply #30 - Apr 29th, 2007 at 12:57am
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A project was recently declassified. Anyway, the US were testing Migs at Groom.......  Wink
 
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Reply #31 - Apr 29th, 2007 at 1:47am
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No, not quite Arnaage. You see, those MiGs were stationed at Nellis AFB. Forgive me if I am wrong, but even the pilots at Nellis don't have access to that airspace. Therefore, those MiGs would be shot down if they flew over Groom. Maybe at Tonopah TR though.
 
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The MiGs were a top secret aggressor squadron based at the Tonopah Test Range, used to train USAF pilots against aircraft that they would most likely have to face, instead of training against an aircraft the probably enemy doesn't have.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123031741
 

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Reply #33 - Apr 29th, 2007 at 3:18am

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Mobius wrote on Apr 29th, 2007 at 2:14am:
The MiGs were a top secret aggressor squadron based at the Tonopah Test Range, used to train USAF pilots against aircraft that they would most likely have to face, instead of training against an aircraft the probably enemy doesn't have.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123031741

They bougt the whole flyable MiG-29 fleet from the Moldova air force... because the German ones were being phased out for the Typhoon. Probably they mounted some of the german kit in it to be able to talk over the radio, as the germans had theirs modified with some western comm stuff.

Only interesting difference is that the German ones don't have the electrics for freefall nukes, which the Moldova ones do have, for the rest they are equal (DDR got theirs built to CIS internal use spec, and not export as the ones in other countries)


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Papa9571, I heard that the US Army is going to consider buying An-72/74 Coaler aircraft, and the US Navy, will consider the Il-78 Midas tanker. Crazy world

Midas is officially for agressor training... 2 ex Ukraine AF machines were converted back to Il-78 spec after being used as standard freighters (got their wing fuelling pods back).

And about that An-72 / 74... ever seen the Boeing YC-14? The idea isnt new, but instead of developing a completely new one (is way too expensive) they go for a plane that is already in production and has a proven capability record. Dunno if they go for a TK (D328Jet looks) or a normal one (Cherubuska) though

 

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Ivan wrote on Apr 29th, 2007 at 3:18am:
Mobius wrote on Apr 29th, 2007 at 2:14am:
The MiGs were a top secret aggressor squadron based at the Tonopah Test Range, used to train USAF pilots against aircraft that they would most likely have to face, instead of training against an aircraft the probably enemy doesn't have.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123031741

They bougt the whole flyable MiG-29 fleet from the Moldova air force... because the German ones were being phased out for the Typhoon. Probably they mounted some of the german kit in it to be able to talk over the radio, as the germans had theirs modified with some western comm stuff.

Only interesting difference is that the German ones don't have the electrics for freefall nukes, which the Moldova ones do have, for the rest they are equal (DDR got theirs built to CIS internal use spec, and not export as the ones in other countries)



They bought them so Iran couldn't get them. Mainly becuase of the nuke ability. But now Iran has     MiG-29UBs which can carry nukes. Smiley  And did anyone hear that the US goovernment can't buy from Sukhoi now becuase Sukhoi gave Iran spare parts for Su-24s?
 

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JA 37 Viggen wrote on Apr 29th, 2007 at 2:43pm:
Ivan wrote on Apr 29th, 2007 at 3:18am:
Mobius wrote on Apr 29th, 2007 at 2:14am:
The MiGs were a top secret aggressor squadron based at the Tonopah Test Range, used to train USAF pilots against aircraft that they would most likely have to face, instead of training against an aircraft the probably enemy doesn't have.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123031741

They bougt the whole flyable MiG-29 fleet from the Moldova air force... because the German ones were being phased out for the Typhoon. Probably they mounted some of the german kit in it to be able to talk over the radio, as the germans had theirs modified with some western comm stuff.

Only interesting difference is that the German ones don't have the electrics for freefall nukes, which the Moldova ones do have, for the rest they are equal (DDR got theirs built to CIS internal use spec, and not export as the ones in other countries)



They bought them so Iran couldn't get them. Mainly becuase of the nuke ability. But now Iran has     MiG-29UBs which can carry nukes. Smiley  And did anyone hear that the US goovernment can't buy from Sukhoi now becuase Sukhoi gave Iran spare parts for Su-24s?

In the late 80's they modded theirs to carry exocets... with the necessary software support too. Scored a few oil tankers with that (and an incorrectly noted shot on a US Navy frigate which was actually done by Iraqi Mirage F1)

MiG-29UB is a trainer... but they probably modified it (as they did with some of their other planes... that T-38 lookalike that they are using left the Northrop factory as a single seat F-5)
Their upgraded F-14 is rumoured to have Lyuka AL-31 engines fitted(same as Su-27)... and full CRT equipped cockpit has been confirmed. 2nd generation Zaslon might be installed too
 

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They modded F-14s to carry the HAWK sam! And F-4s now carry AGM-78s as AA and AG (AGM-78 was a SEAD). What about that F-5 with the F-18 like tail. And Iran modded what to carry the French Exocent? Su-24s or MiG-29s or MiG-21/J-7 (seen a pic where the MiG has HUGE droptanks) or F-5s? And has any one else hear about the aparently "stealthy" trainer/ light attack aircraft? (looks like an F-22 with a T-38)
 

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JA 37 Viggen wrote on Apr 29th, 2007 at 8:46pm:
They modded F-14s to carry the HAWK sam! And F-4s now carry AGM-78s as AA and AG (AGM-78 was a SEAD). What about that F-5 with the F-18 like tail. And Iran modded what to carry the French Exocent? Su-24s or MiG-29s or MiG-21/J-7 (seen a pic where the MiG has HUGE droptanks) or F-5s? And has any one else hear about the aparently "stealthy" trainer/ light attack aircraft? (looks like an F-22 with a T-38)

What i've seen: F-14 with Hawk SAM and with some MK whatever bombs the navy never used
Possibles: Anything which fits on russian rails

Most of their T-38 lookalikes started their life as a single seat F-5

Iranian F-14s can fire exocet missiles since 1985 or so.
Latest mods on these (basically all the blue ones) are completely rebuilt with possibly russian engines and other stuff that Grumman never fitted on them
 

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I thought the Iranian F-14s were unflyable and possibly sabatoged by Grumman employees before the pullout?
 

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bok269 wrote on May 2nd, 2007 at 9:35pm:
I thought the Iranian F-14s were unflyable and possibly sabatoged by Grumman employees before the pullout?


Read the text under the picture here.
They changed from brown to blue somewhere in the late 90s
 

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Ivan wrote on May 3rd, 2007 at 8:59am:
bok269 wrote on May 2nd, 2007 at 9:35pm:
I thought the Iranian F-14s were unflyable and possibly sabatoged by Grumman employees before the pullout?


Read the text under the picture here.
They changed from brown to blue somewhere in the late 90s


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