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Reply #30 - Apr 29^th, 2007 at 12:57am

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A project was recently declassified. Anyway, the US were testing Migs at Groom....... Wink

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Reply #31 - Apr 29^th, 2007 at 1:47am

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No, not quite Arnaage. You see, those MiGs were stationed at Nellis AFB. Forgive me if I am wrong, but even the pilots at Nellis don't have access to that airspace. Therefore, those MiGs would be shot down if they flew over Groom. Maybe at Tonopah TR though.

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Reply #32 - Apr 29^th, 2007 at 2:14am

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The MiGs were a top secret aggressor squadron based at the Tonopah Test Range, used to train USAF pilots against aircraft that they would most likely have to face, instead of training against an aircraft the probably enemy doesn't have.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123031741

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Reply #33 - Apr 29^th, 2007 at 3:18am

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Mobius wrote on Apr 29^th, 2007 at 2:14am:

The MiGs were a top secret aggressor squadron based at the Tonopah Test Range, used to train USAF pilots against aircraft that they would most likely have to face, instead of training against an aircraft the probably enemy doesn't have.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123031741

They bougt the whole flyable MiG-29 fleet from the Moldova air force... because the German ones were being phased out for the Typhoon. Probably they mounted some of the german kit in it to be able to talk over the radio, as the germans had theirs modified with some western comm stuff.

Only interesting difference is that the German ones don't have the electrics for freefall nukes, which the Moldova ones do have, for the rest they are equal (DDR got theirs built to CIS internal use spec, and not export as the ones in other countries)

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Papa9571, I heard that the US Army is going to consider buying An-72/74 Coaler aircraft, and the US Navy, will consider the Il-78 Midas tanker. Crazy world

Midas is officially for agressor training... 2 ex Ukraine AF machines were converted back to Il-78 spec after being used as standard freighters (got their wing fuelling pods back).

And about that An-72 / 74... ever seen the Boeing YC-14? The idea isnt new, but instead of developing a completely new one (is way too expensive) they go for a plane that is already in production and has a proven capability record. Dunno if they go for a TK (D328Jet looks) or a normal one (Cherubuska) though

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Reply #34 - Apr 29^th, 2007 at 2:43pm

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Ivan wrote on Apr 29^th, 2007 at 3:18am:

Mobius wrote on Apr 29^th, 2007 at 2:14am:

The MiGs were a top secret aggressor squadron based at the Tonopah Test Range, used to train USAF pilots against aircraft that they would most likely have to face, instead of training against an aircraft the probably enemy doesn't have.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123031741

They bougt the whole flyable MiG-29 fleet from the Moldova air force... because the German ones were being phased out for the Typhoon. Probably they mounted some of the german kit in it to be able to talk over the radio, as the germans had theirs modified with some western comm stuff.

Only interesting difference is that the German ones don't have the electrics for freefall nukes, which the Moldova ones do have, for the rest they are equal (DDR got theirs built to CIS internal use spec, and not export as the ones in other countries)

They bought them so Iran couldn't get them. Mainly becuase of the nuke ability. But now Iran has MiG-29UBs which can carry nukes. Smiley

And did anyone hear that the US goovernment can't buy from Sukhoi now becuase Sukhoi gave Iran spare parts for Su-24s?

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Reply #35 - Apr 29^th, 2007 at 6:09pm

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JA 37 Viggen wrote on Apr 29^th, 2007 at 2:43pm:

Ivan wrote on Apr 29^th, 2007 at 3:18am:

Mobius wrote on Apr 29^th, 2007 at 2:14am:

The MiGs were a top secret aggressor squadron based at the Tonopah Test Range, used to train USAF pilots against aircraft that they would most likely have to face, instead of training against an aircraft the probably enemy doesn't have.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123031741

They bougt the whole flyable MiG-29 fleet from the Moldova air force... because the German ones were being phased out for the Typhoon. Probably they mounted some of the german kit in it to be able to talk over the radio, as the germans had theirs modified with some western comm stuff.

Only interesting difference is that the German ones don't have the electrics for freefall nukes, which the Moldova ones do have, for the rest they are equal (DDR got theirs built to CIS internal use spec, and not export as the ones in other countries)

They bought them so Iran couldn't get them. Mainly becuase of the nuke ability. But now Iran has MiG-29UBs which can carry nukes. Smiley

And did anyone hear that the US goovernment can't buy from Sukhoi now becuase Sukhoi gave Iran spare parts for Su-24s?

In the late 80's they modded theirs to carry exocets... with the necessary software support too. Scored a few oil tankers with that (and an incorrectly noted shot on a US Navy frigate which was actually done by Iraqi Mirage F1)

MiG-29UB is a trainer... but they probably modified it (as they did with some of their other planes... that T-38 lookalike that they are using left the Northrop factory as a single seat F-5)
Their upgraded F-14 is rumoured to have Lyuka AL-31 engines fitted(same as Su-27)... and full CRT equipped cockpit has been confirmed. 2nd generation Zaslon might be installed too

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Reply #36 - Apr 29^th, 2007 at 8:46pm

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They modded F-14s to carry the HAWK sam! And F-4s now carry AGM-78s as AA and AG (AGM-78 was a SEAD). What about that F-5 with the F-18 like tail. And Iran modded what to carry the French Exocent? Su-24s or MiG-29s or MiG-21/J-7 (seen a pic where the MiG has HUGE droptanks) or F-5s? And has any one else hear about the aparently "stealthy" trainer/ light attack aircraft? (looks like an F-22 with a T-38)

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Reply #37 - Apr 30^th, 2007 at 8:57am

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JA 37 Viggen wrote on Apr 29^th, 2007 at 8:46pm:

They modded F-14s to carry the HAWK sam! And F-4s now carry AGM-78s as AA and AG (AGM-78 was a SEAD). What about that F-5 with the F-18 like tail. And Iran modded what to carry the French Exocent? Su-24s or MiG-29s or MiG-21/J-7 (seen a pic where the MiG has HUGE droptanks) or F-5s? And has any one else hear about the aparently "stealthy" trainer/ light attack aircraft? (looks like an F-22 with a T-38)

What i've seen: F-14 with Hawk SAM and with some MK whatever bombs the navy never used
Possibles: Anything which fits on russian rails

Most of their T-38 lookalikes started their life as a single seat F-5

Iranian F-14s can fire exocet missiles since 1985 or so.
Latest mods on these (basically all the blue ones) are completely rebuilt with possibly russian engines and other stuff that Grumman never fitted on them

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Reply #38 - May 2^nd, 2007 at 9:35pm

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I thought the Iranian F-14s were unflyable and possibly sabatoged by Grumman employees before the pullout?

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Reply #39 - May 3^rd, 2007 at 8:59am

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bok269 wrote on May 2^nd, 2007 at 9:35pm:

I thought the Iranian F-14s were unflyable and possibly sabatoged by Grumman employees before the pullout?

Read the text under the picture here.
They changed from brown to blue somewhere in the late 90s

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Reply #40 - May 4^th, 2007 at 11:12pm

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Ivan wrote on May 3^rd, 2007 at 8:59am:

bok269 wrote on May 2^nd, 2007 at 9:35pm:

I thought the Iranian F-14s were unflyable and possibly sabatoged by Grumman employees before the pullout?

Read the text under the picture here.
They changed from brown to blue somewhere in the late 90s

Check out my around the world tour!

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I will not be silenced by a stupid badger!

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