Simviation Forum - Cessna 150 for $6000!!!

Reply #30 - Jan 18^th, 2007 at 6:23pm

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BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD!! KDSM!! NO!

NO! Angry

BAD BOY!

i look at them and think "Hmmm thats reasonable... i could make any one of those birds my own..." then i snap back to reality

AND I HAVE YOU POSTING THAT LINK TO THANK FOR MY DAY DREAMING!!!

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Reply #31 - Jan 18^th, 2007 at 6:45pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Jan 18^th, 2007 at 5:50pm:

I'm still a fan of entering the leg that you're already on..

As long as it's announced, it's safer for a pilot who's already on an extended base to enter that base... as opposed to angling over (where every body else is converging) to wedge into a downind that will just put him back where he already was (three, view blocking turns later)..

Well, that makes so much sense the FAA will never adopt it... Grin

Why not hit the leg closest to your arrival heading? If you announce it and make sure you enter at TPA (unlike some Beech drivers I know of), it's probably safer, even on a base or downwind.

Sometimes I think the 45-degree thing is more appropriate as a training procedure than a practical real-world approach, although it requires some skull work, which is good for you.

I wonder where, when and why that form of entry was adopted?

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Reply #32 - Jan 18^th, 2007 at 7:27pm

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I was taught the traditional way too (many moons ago). One of the first times I was up with the guy who's become my mentor, I was going about the nice, comfy overflight at TPA+1000 intending to come back on the 45. He said something like, "Why would you want to DESCEND into pattern altitude traffic.. you'll not only be merging with traffic laterally..now you're gonna have to do it vertically too"...

So we turned back out, got down to TPA (that's the key) and entered on the upwind. I'll admit, at first it was creepy... but if you think about it.. all the other traffic on that leg is either climbing, descending (and going at least 15kias slower than you) or on the runway... you get a real good view of all four legs and have a better idea of where everyone is, than you would doing your 180 degree turn out there descending into the "funnel". And.. if you have to turn back out for spacing, the airspace off the arrival end (and opposite the pattern side) is a better place for that than the funnel. Same thing goes for crosswind and even, to a degree, base entries.

Circumnavigating the whole area to find your spot in the funnel is bad too. For starters, it's expensive... and THAT's where turning obscured collisions happen. The pilot who's approaching runway 27 from the NE is either gonna fly right through either the arrival or departure corridor just for his shot at the funnel

The trouble students, and some inexperienced pilots have with all this is, that it not only is counter to their training, they seem to visualize that it's better to be juggling your spacing before you enter the pattern... which really isn't true. There aren't any "rules" for where you should be in the funnel (or whizzing around the pattern's perimeter with you wings banked for long periods of time (several times)), but there sure are rules once in the pattern.

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Reply #33 - Jan 18^th, 2007 at 9:18pm

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beaky wrote on Jan 17^th, 2007 at 11:26am:

But I'll bet you'd be comfy in a Citabria; they can be had for around the same price. I've been thinking along those lines for my first plane

trust me it wont let you down Wink

My grandfather, who is thinking about giving up flying now due to age, said he wants to sighn his decathelon over to me. Its one hell of a plane to say the least

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Reply #34 - Jan 18^th, 2007 at 11:16pm

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PsychoDiablo wrote on Jan 18^th, 2007 at 9:18pm:

beaky wrote on Jan 17^th, 2007 at 11:26am:

But I'll bet you'd be comfy in a Citabria; they can be had for around the same price. I've been thinking along those lines for my first plane

trust me it wont let you down Wink

My grandfather, who is thinking about giving up flying now due to age, said he wants to sighn his decathelon over to me. Its one hell of a plane to say the least

Lucky you!! A free Decathlon, a gift... now that's something else altogether.
Don't insult him by refusing, but if you must, tell him you know someone with no scruples who'll take it off his hands... me... Grin

I was thinking Tri-Pacer or Ercoupe or something like that until a friend started singing the praises of a 7ECA he used to own, and it got me thinking... all around, that would be a good first airplane for the kind of flying I'd like to do- especially the aerobatic kind of flying. Grin

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Reply #35 - Jan 19^th, 2007 at 12:21am

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he was in the process of trying to sell it for a maul Tongue

but because he has a partnership with a v35, he said hed just sign it over to me. Cheesy

hes also restoring an old AT-6 he got from a boneyard in the 1960s for $50. Which he told me was a ripoff Shocked

83 years old and still working on that old thing

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Reply #36 - Jan 19^th, 2007 at 12:27pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Jan 18^th, 2007 at 5:50pm:

I have to ask again about this military stuff. I've been flying on/off for almost 30 years.. aint heard that before. And if it is military (Army Navy Airforce Marines), wouldn't it be a towered field anyway ? .. Or if it's several military aircraft, wouldn't there be a TFR ?

Military, in Europe, and of course there is tower. If people join in the same place, it makes the approach controllers job a lot easier if he's feeding everyone on radar to one point. It makes departures easier too. Also taken into consideration is the fact that circuit speeds will vary from 80kts to 200+kts.

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Reply #37 - Jan 19^th, 2007 at 1:30pm

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Military, in Europe, and of course there is tower. If people join in the same place, it makes the approach controllers job a lot easier if he's feeding everyone on radar to one point. It makes departures easier too. Also taken into consideration is the fact that circuit speeds will vary from 80kts to 200+kts.

Ahh.. ok, there's a tower. Ive been talking about uncontrolled fields. Pattern entry is moot when there's a tower.. HE'LL decide FOR you.. lol

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Reply #38 - Jan 19^th, 2007 at 1:54pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Jan 19^th, 2007 at 1:30pm:

HE'LL decide FOR you.. lol

Or you'll tell him... Grin

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