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upgraded from FS98 to FS2002, what can I expect? (Read 3193 times)
Jan 16th, 2007 at 7:51am

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I finally purchased FlightSim 2002 last Saturday (for $10!!!), haven't had a chance to install it yet.  But I wanted to ask, "What can I expect to have changed from FS 98, now that I have FS 2002?"
 
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Reply #1 - Jan 16th, 2007 at 4:06pm

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You'll get more specific answers from those here who really know, but "A lot" is good for now.  The aircraft models are greatly improved for starters, and even a lot of FS9 aircraft will work.  As far as performance, I've got a 512 memory here, 2.6G, and get very good frame rates.  Also, the scenery, I suppose the weather too, is better, and "better" might even be an understatement, by better I mean visually better.  If your computer can handle it, a move to FS9 with the MS update might be the next step, FS2002 has largely been superceded by FS9 and now FSX, don't know if too many simmers here still use FS02 (I've got FS02 and FS9).  So I think you'll be very satisfied coming off of FS98.  Let us know.
 
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Reply #2 - Jan 19th, 2007 at 2:40pm

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I use FS02 and I have no plans to upgrade to FS9 or FSX - but that's another matter for another day.

All of the graphics in FS02 are a huge improvement over 98.  In addition, you will now see and hear AI aircraft and ATC.  "You're not alone any more."
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 23rd, 2007 at 9:21am

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Compare these reviews:

FS 98

FS 2002

I have played 98 and still played 2002. Simply put, 2002 is 10 times better than 98.   Cheesy
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 24th, 2007 at 7:14am

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Apex wrote on Jan 16th, 2007 at 4:06pm:
even a lot of FS9 aircraft will work.


Which one is FS9?  Is that also known as FS2000, or what?  I have never quite gotten this straight.
 
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Reply #5 - Jan 24th, 2007 at 8:43am

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FS8 = FS2002

FS9 = FS2004

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Reply #6 - Feb 3rd, 2007 at 9:36am

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I've done a couple of short flights.  Graphics look a whole lot better than 98.  Next question is, "While I am inflight, how do access all of the stuff that in FS98 was in the dropdown menus?"
 
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Reply #7 - Feb 3rd, 2007 at 11:08am

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Reply #8 - Feb 8th, 2007 at 7:45am

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??? how can I upgrade from FS2002 to FS9    ?
 
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Reply #9 - Feb 8th, 2007 at 9:43am

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You have to buy a separate FS9. It's not an upgrade.

After you install FS9 you can import some of your aircraft and scenery.  Some will not be compatible.
 
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Reply #10 - Feb 8th, 2007 at 9:48am

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If you have a FS2002 installation and think about installing FS9 know beforehand that FS9 graphically doesn't really differ from FS2002. The real difference is under the hood (weather and flight dynamics, mostly). And remember to control that your installation is FS9.1, or apply the patch (helps A LOT).

By the way, if you plan to go from FS2002 to FS9, do yourself a favor and plan to find IMMEDIATELY substitutive water textures to use instead of the horrid smurf-piss colored default. Wink
 

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Reply #11 - Feb 9th, 2007 at 7:08am

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Ashaman,

Even though you're from Italy, your grammar is pretty good.  It's probably better than what some of us 'Mericans do sometimes. Wink



As far as FS2002 goes, I like it pretty well.  Better graphics, new planes, and  _real_  ATC traffic.  I even got a bonus program with it (Fighter Ace).  Since I learned to fly in '98, I almost need to relearn, but that's another matter.
 
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Reply #12 - Feb 11th, 2007 at 1:42pm

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Non_Jetreader2 wrote on Feb 9th, 2007 at 7:08am:
Ashaman,

Even though you're from Italy, your grammar is pretty good.  It's probably better than what some of us 'Mericans do sometimes. Wink

As far as FS2002 goes, I like it pretty well.  Better graphics, new planes, and  _real_  ATC traffic.  I even got a bonus program with it (Fighter Ace).  Since I learned to fly in '98, I almost need to relearn, but that's another matter.


Why thank you, but really is so because I've time to think before writing. You'd really be astonished if you hear me trying speak english. Grin

Yes, FS2002 was a big step forward from 98 (that I still have installed and like to use for IFR flights from time to time) and even the half-assed 2000, let's hope that FS11 will do the same. FS2004 (AKA FS9) has a more accurate weather system, 3D clouds (that are more beautiful than Fs2002's, but at the same time heavier on the videocard), some tweaks under the dynamics (necessary because of the more advanced weather) a marginally better ATC (that doesn't try to vector you in a mountainside, like happened in FS2002), a marginally bettered autogen (that though need the patch, because of a memory leak bug in the non patched V9.0) and other lesser odds and ends.

FSX is a simple graphic overhaul of FS9 with the only addiction of negative flaps under the point of view of the dynamics (necessary for the ground traffic to speed up without taking off), and a badly made one too. I like to call it FS2000 V1.5 (like I'm beginning to call Vista WinMe V1.5). Unless a really working performance patch is published (thing that I seriously doubt) that will make the damn thing really usable on current hardware (thing that I seriously doubt) instead of hardware that will be available 5 years from now (thing that I seriously doubt), better leave FSX among the forgotten softwares and wait on a hopefully really better FS11.
 

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Reply #13 - Feb 22nd, 2007 at 7:36am

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Can FS98 add-on planes be used in FS2002?
 
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Reply #14 - Feb 22nd, 2007 at 7:42am

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Non_Jetreader2 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2007 at 7:36am:
Can FS98 add-on planes be used in FS2002?

Yes but I don't know why anyone would want to use them. The quality of FS2002 aircraft is far superior.
 

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Reply #15 - Feb 22nd, 2007 at 1:55pm

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I second that.  Don't waste time with FS98 aircraft, there are so many subsequent models that are just great and the modeling structure had been vastly improved by then.  Even some or many FS2004 aircraft will work in FS2002.
 
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Reply #16 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 7:16am

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I understand your point, but there are several planes that I have for 98 that didn't come with 2002, like the Blackbird or the Space Shuttle.  So, since I have a dial-up internet connection, stuff ain't real fast, but I do have these files sitting around, I just wanted to be able to use them.
 
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Reply #17 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 7:34am

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P.S. How could 2004 planes be used in the 2002 program???
 
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Reply #18 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 7:35am

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Non_Jetreader2 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2007 at 7:16am:
I understand your point, but there are several planes that I have for 98 that didn't come with 2002, like the Blackbird or the Space Shuttle.  So, since I have a dial-up internet connection, stuff ain't real fast, but I do have these files sitting around, I just wanted to be able to use them.


I remember that in FS2002 and for a while (until I got bored of reaching 99.999 feet and being stopped there) I used a pair of Shuttle models (with and without boosters), and that shuttle work for FS9 too.

As for the blackbird, I've seen a lot of them in the past years that worked brilliantly for FS2002 and a little less than that for FS9. Don't really remember where said birds are though, not really my kind of planes, but like for the Shuttle above, it suffice I think to search on the major freeware sites for FS on the net to find them.

As for dial-up... I understand your problem all too well, but really can't help you there. Sorry.


Non_Jetreader2 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2007 at 7:34am:
P.S. How could 2004 planes be used in the 2002 program???


Some planes are modeled with a 3d system (Gmax) that works under both sims. Sure, the flight dynamics do not really behave the same way, but the planes themselves do work under both FS2002 and FS9.
 

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Reply #19 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 9:29am

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Non_Jetreader2 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2007 at 7:34am:
P.S. How could 2004 planes be used in the 2002 program???

Aircraft created specifically for FS2004 are not compatible with FS2002. The ones that work are either original FS2000/2002 models converted for FS2004 or created before the FS2004 SDKs were released. Much the same situation as with FSX right now.
 

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Reply #20 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 10:47am

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Hagar, Gmax built planes work on both FS9 and FS2002 (and X too), always had. A Gmax plane might have incompatibilities only regarding some gauges crossing the borders from a sim version to another, and sometimes the dynamics too, but no more than that. The model shouldn't give problems, if Gmax.

At least AFAIK. Tongue
 

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Reply #21 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 11:01am

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ashaman wrote on Feb 23rd, 2007 at 10:47am:
Hagar, Gmax built planes work on both FS9 and FS2002 (and X too), always had. A Gmax plane might have incompatibilities only regarding some gauges crossing the borders from a sim version to another, and sometimes the dynamics too, but no more than that. The model shouldn't give problems, if Gmax.

At least AFAIK. Tongue

Not if they were created for FS2004 with the FS2004 SDK. The MDL file is incompatible with FS2002. The same applies to FSDS3 models.
 

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