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Jan 13th, 2007 at 11:37am

Ivan   Offline
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Might need to choose between a few cars for one to own myself:

Shortlist up to now
Second hand Peugeot 206: best looking one of the list
Second hand Suzuki Vitara: 4x4 fun
New Lada Niva: 13k for a 4x4... sales of these are rising in holland
New Lada 2111 station (AKA Lada 111): lots of m3/euro
New Dacia Logan: cheapest of the new ones... smaller than the 2111
 
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Reply #1 - Jan 13th, 2007 at 12:11pm

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The 206 is easily the best choice on the list.
The Vitara is rubbish, I know a few people who've got 'em and swear at 'em rather than by them!
The Niva is the poor mans Landie and borderline unbreakable. Very easy to maintain but not the fastest thing on the planet.
I know naff all about the 2111.
DON'T touch the Dacia. They're dire. My in-laws neighbour got one and after a few weeks it started rusting Shocked A big pile of poo!
 
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Reply #2 - Jan 13th, 2007 at 12:11pm

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Peugeot 206 ..... don't go near the Ladas ..... and the suzuki is impractical really in a country without hills  Grin
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 13th, 2007 at 12:20pm

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definitly the 206.
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 13th, 2007 at 1:16pm
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206 by far. Why? The Vitara is useless in Holland (like any off-road car), the Lada's and Dacia; well they are Lada's and a Dacia. You don't want them, they embarras you. Take the money you would spend on a new Lada or Dacia and you buy a second hand car that is much, much better.

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Reply #5 - Jan 13th, 2007 at 1:35pm

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Ah well, at risk of sounding like an annoying echo, the Peugeot 206 would be my recommendation. Nice little car.
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 13th, 2007 at 3:07pm
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I may have another one.

Nissan Micra.


The old models 'though...
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 13th, 2007 at 3:27pm
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From your post I figure you got some 13000 Euro to spend right? You got to ask yourself for what purpose you will use the car. Only to drive around town? Buy a small one (fuel economy, parking spaces). To drive a long distance every day? Buy a bigger one (more comfort). Go around websites like Autotrack.nl and Autoscout24.nl. You will find your car and probably much cheaper than you would think.

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Reply #8 - Jan 13th, 2007 at 4:32pm

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From your post I figure you got some 13000 Euro to spend right? You got to ask yourself for what purpose you will use the car. Only to drive around town? Buy a small one (fuel economy, parking spaces). To drive a long distance every day? Buy a bigger one (more comfort). Go around websites like Autotrack.nl and Autoscout24.nl. You will find your car and probably much cheaper than you would think.

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Will probably go for the Peugeot...

Current idea:
206 Stationwagon with
  • Alloy wheels (must)
  • Airco (must)
  • Cruise control (nice if its installed)
  • If possible JBL factory-installed car audio (sacrifices the two storage hatches in the rear for a 6cd changer and a huge amplifier)
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    Reply #9 - Jan 14th, 2007 at 6:56am
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    Ivan wrote on Jan 13th, 2007 at 4:32pm:
  • Alloy wheels (must)
  • Airco (must)
  • Cruise control (nice if its installed)
  • If possible JBL factory-installed car audio (sacrifices the two storage hatches in the rear for a 6cd changer and a huge amplifier)


    • Geez, why don't you get a 3 series BMW then? ;P
     
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    Reply #10 - Jan 14th, 2007 at 8:11am

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    My girlfriend owns a black Peugeot 206 - 1,4 Petrol engine. It's a nice car and drives good. The only setback for me is the driversposition. I never get it right, as I do in my Opel Astra. But I'd still choose that one above anything other on the list...

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    Reply #11 - Jan 14th, 2007 at 5:52pm

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    Quote:
    Ivan wrote on Jan 13th, 2007 at 4:32pm:
  • Alloy wheels (must)
  • Airco (must)
  • Cruise control (nice if its installed)
  • If possible JBL factory-installed car audio (sacrifices the two storage hatches in the rear for a 6cd changer and a huge amplifier)


    • Geez, why don't you get a 3 series BMW then? ;P

    Because i dont' want to be hunted down by jealous sisters of my girlfriend for having a bigger BMW than they have
     
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    Reply #12 - Feb 3rd, 2007 at 2:09pm
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    Go for the 206, very nice car! By far the best on that list.....

     
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    Reply #13 - Feb 10th, 2007 at 10:54am

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    Went looking for cars today...

    Choice at the moment
    2004 Seat Ibiza (9k)
    Seat Leon (10-13k depending on kms and extras)
    2001 Peugeot 206 special option pack with leather seats (9k)
    2004 VW Polo for 11k
    1997 Volvo 960 Station. for those that dont know... the last real Tank Volvo (6k)
    2002 Saab 9-3 2.0 Turbo for just 11k (stationwagon or sportier one for about 13k)
    2001 Nissan Almera (8k)

    In reality the main choice is between a small (seats, peugeot) or a large car (saab or equivalent)... as the prices are nearly the same
     
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    Reply #14 - Feb 10th, 2007 at 1:40pm
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    Take the Saab or Volvo.
     
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    Reply #15 - Feb 10th, 2007 at 5:01pm

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    Quote:
    Take the Saab or Volvo.

    Did some calculations on that list...
    The results:
  • Small Peugeots with large engines have AWFUL fuel economy (a 1.6 engined 206 has MPG values quite close to the ones for the Saab which has 2.0 liters, a turbo and is almost 1,5 times heavier)
  • Basically all small cars with an engine that gives reasonable highway performance (over 1300cc) have above average fuel usage.
  • You can't find a decent (year and mileage) small sized car under 10k euros... which is the starting point for the bigger ones also... Given the fact that i'll probably will change to a larger car whitin the next 3 years, it might be better to start with a large one from day 1.
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    Reply #16 - Feb 10th, 2007 at 6:35pm
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    Ivan wrote on Feb 10th, 2007 at 5:01pm:
    Basically all small cars with an engine that gives reasonable highway performance (over 1300cc) have above average fuel usage.


    Define "highway performance".

    Left lane, 200kph?
     
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    Reply #17 - Feb 11th, 2007 at 12:44am

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    I've never liked the little Euro cars, so maybe go for something bigger like what Heretic said, a Volvo.
     
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    Reply #18 - Feb 11th, 2007 at 4:42am

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    Quote:
    Ivan wrote on Feb 10th, 2007 at 5:01pm:
    Basically all small cars with an engine that gives reasonable highway performance (over 1300cc) have above average fuel usage.


    Define "highway performance".

    Left lane, 200kph?

    Highway performance means: being able to overtake trucks safely... basically having a decent 80-100 acceleration whitout getting the idea that the car is falling apart.

    Basically the only problem with the Saab is the insurance price... as it has a turbo (every Saab should have one...). Monthly insurance costs are about 20 euros more than the rest because the calculation simply adds a price factor for having a turbo no matter what type (this one has the LPT turbo that mainly serves to expand the peak of the torque curve all the way down to 2500 rpm)
     
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    Reply #19 - Feb 11th, 2007 at 8:27am
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    Ivan wrote on Feb 11th, 2007 at 4:42am:
    Highway performance means: being able to overtake trucks safely... basically having a decent 80-100 acceleration whitout getting the idea that the car is falling apart.


    Well, my Fabia can also do that, even though it only has a 1.2l engine.
     
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