Which car company is better, a Lamborghini, A Porsche or a Micheal Shumacher Ferrari?

Porsche without a doubt.  Ferraris are overpriced overhyped overstyled tacky jewelry.    Ferrari as a company caters to the wealthy, not the enthusiast.  They sell cars to those they consider stylish enough to sell cars to, reserving some of their creations to invitation only purchase.

Porsche on the other hand is an enthisiast's best friend.  They'll sell anything to anyone with the means to pay in a non-pretentious atmosphere.  They build cars better suited for the track than any other marque (I've been told from race mechanics that Porsches, out of the box, make better track cars than anything on the road, and are more adjustable in the way a track car needs to be).  Porsche sponsors the best national clubs for their owners, the USA Porsche Club is the best single marque club out there, running the best track days at the best tracks.  Porsches also retain a lot of romance and motor racing influence.  Ignitions remain on the left side of the steering wheels recalling the days of the running LeMans start.  Their highest end car has a wooden gear shift knob as this was used on many famous Porsche race cars to save weight.  Porsche also supports amature, semi-pro, and pro racers better than any marque.  You can simply purchase a race ready 911 and be competitive in just about any sports car series while knowing the development work is done for you.  Other car companies sell built race cars but none as well developed as their 911, making this often the cheapest, easiest car to campaign in just about any series (it's no wonder the LeMans grid is so chock full of 911s).  Porshces, indirectly factory supported, run in just about every sports car series and Porsche as a factory effort have finally returned to racing after a long time absence.  Compare with Ferrari which basically only supports F1 leaving it up to their customers to build and develop cars for other series.

As for their current models, I think the 911 has become too refined, with only the GT3 cars offering what should be the car's quintessential sporting nature.  The rest are very, very nice GT cars but overly weighted towards luxury IMO.  The Boxster is often called (by magazines) the most fun to drive car on the market, and the similar tin top Cayman is a great vehicle.  I have a hard time calling the Cayanne a Porsche, it's more of a VW.  But it's a cash cow and has allowed Porsche to do some wonderful things with the money.

Also Porsche runs a much higher profit (in pure dollars and in % of sales) than Ferrari...

They are in a different price category from Ferrari and Lamborghini though, so comparisons aren't fair.

Woodlouse2002 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2006 at 10:32am:

Isn't that half the point of a supercar?

For reliability it has to be Porsche.
For style my money is with Ferrari.
For a tractor I'd say the Lamborghini... of course that is their origin

And Dr. F. Porsche designed the Beetle! Nuff said

ozzy72 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2006 at 8:13pm:

Porsche made his fair share of tractors too

Woodlouse2002 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2006 at 2:36pm:



The only Ferrari that I have ever driven was a Ferrari 75s.........a two wheeled walking tractor.......but it was a Ferrari
Ferrari Tractors

Matt

PS When my lottery ticket comes in, it will be an M5 for me.

elite marksman wrote on Jan 1^st, 2007 at 11:28am:


Exactly. No point at all. A waste of space, metal, and most importantly, petrol...

Chris_F wrote on Jan 1^st, 2007 at 12:13pm:



Independent.......that removes the Boxster then. Badge engineering at it's best.

Matt

Charlie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2007 at 1:22pm:



A Toureg in drag 

Matt

Porsche: safest of the ones you mention here. But the electrics have almost taken over the control of the car
Ferrari: drive yourself to death in style...
Lamborghini: The sound beats anything... but its just too much 'look at me' styling

Ivan wrote on Jan 1^st, 2007 at 5:06pm:



Not the GT3, the electrics in that are limited to keeping the engine running, lights and, that's it I think. Not traction control, no nothing really. Not even air con or a radio.

Matt

Ashar wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2007 at 6:13am:

The 911 Carrera has looked the way it looks since the days of the old 356 in the 1950's.  Porsche tried to break away from the 356/911 look back in the 1980s and got crucified for it.  They tried to replace the 911 at the top of the model line with the 928, they introduced the 924/944 at a lower price point, they got their butts handed to them despite the fact that both cars (particularly the 944) were quite good.  They learned their lesson and now all three of their mainstream cars have that 911 look.

All car companies try to share styling cues between models.  Look at all the new models from any company and you'll see similar headlights and grills, etc.  Porsche tried to make the Cayanne share a family resemblance, it's called brand building.  The 911, Boxster, and Cayman share a very similar chassis which is why they look so much alike.  This is actually a good thing as it builds a strong brand image in the customer's eyes.  Marketing departments live for that stuff.

Even the Carrera GT (a totally different car from the 911 Carrera) shares some styling cues.  The Carrera GT however looks very little like the 911, a significant departure styling-wise for Porsche.  Although in this case it's strictly form follows function as the Carrera GT is an otherworldy car, looks and performance wise, kinda like a Ferrari Enzo.

I too would not buy a Cayanne.  But a Cayanne isn't a sedan so nobody would cross shop a Cayanne with a Lancer Evo.  Porsche doesn't offer a sedan so they don't have an Evo competitor.

Charlie wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2007 at 11:25am:



And costs the same amount as a Ferrari 

Matt

Porsche. Preferably from the 80s with the old air cooled engine. Simply listening to it gives you an erection.

No, I'm not biased. ;P

expat wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2007 at 11:31am:

How about the local pub. The green one's a Koenigsegg.



Here's the latest toy.

Charlie wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2007 at 3:11pm:

I thought all Porsches were sold with a disabled parking permit glassed into the windscreen.

The Lamborghini number plate is quiet good. AOG, often reflects these highly strung and sometimes temperamental thoroughbreds 

Matt

Hey Doug, have any more pictures of the CLK-DTM?

Woodlouse2002 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2007 at 6:25pm:

How many news links do you want. . .

Charlie wrote on Dec 31^st, 2006 at 9:26pm:
Money.

BMan1113VR wrote on Jan 4^th, 2007 at 4:02am:

Two please. VW Audi is one of the largest car companys in the world. Porsche in comparison are a fairly small company who sell four models of car. There is no way Porsche will ever have raised the money from a rebadged VW Toureg to make a bid for VW Audi.

Porsche no doubt about it.

Crash

PS Except for that very ugly SUV.

A quick google search turns up...

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/news/porsche-to-buy-audi-lamborghini-bugatti-...

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/11/16/028923.html

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/09/porsche_plans_t.html

and, on the negative side...

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/06/porsche-ceo-discusses-coming-years-vw-rum...

Like I said, nothing concrete except for a lot of rumors.  A Porsche takeover of Audi/VW isn't particularly far-fetched.

And in answer to the much loved cayenne, Spyker builds the D-12.....

http://images.google.nl/images?svnum=10&hl=nl&lr=&q=spyker%20d12&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF...

Why you might ask?

Haven't got a clue

I dont care how old this thread is but im posting anyways.

First of all i am a die-hard Ferrari fan i consider myself as an enthusiast, ive spent countless hours of reasearching about the car, and i WILL own one in the future. I am posting because most of what people said about Ferrari is not true and that some people are saying that there more eye candy and only are built for rich people and non enthusiasts. I agree that most poeple that own them are rich but most people buy them because they have a passion for them.  In my opinion Lamborghini is the eye candy car because they are flat, sleek and long with smooth curves but their desghn has not changed. every car they come out with  almost looks exactley the same as their last model they may be good at the straits but on the track they cant compete with the Ferrari or Porche. theres always been a rivalry between Porche and Ferrari and they both have their advantages and disadvantages.

People said the Porche has a better build qaulity than Ferrari. I cannont speak for porche but I do know that Ferrari hand builds every single conponent. when they build the engine conponents they use special xray type tools im not sure of the name of the tool but it checks for tiny cracks or anything thats not perfect. If there is a crack they send it back and remake it untill its perfect. They do the same with every other conponent also. They also hand make the interior. So Ferrari has a superior build quality. Im not saying Porche and lambos dont.

As for  performance and sound I belive that Ferrari is a track car and ALWAYS will be. Ferrari works closely with Pininfarina to make the body aeorodynamicly perfect for racing, like for example the F430 does not need a spoiler for exceeding 100mph because the aerodynamics kicks in an substantially helps the downforce of the car without the use of a spolier and i read that it sometimes will help the car go faster. The F1 transmissions that Ferrari is now producing can shift a gear in .60 miliseconds or faster. Im not going to sit here and write about its performances because there are to many to list especially about the modern cars so your going to have to do your own reasearch in that topic but i do think they are a track car as they build and desighn them for the track and can give any porche a run for its money. Many sources have stated that he F430 is perfect, ive watched that top gear show that tests out all the super cars and they said that the F430 is "perfect" and many other sources have said the same thing, but not just the F430 but the classic cars like the F40,250GTO etc. As for sound nothing will beat the sound of a Ferrari F355 its like sex for the ears.

So I was just sticking up for Ferrari because no one really posted anything about them and people have the wrong facts and i just think that people should do reasearch. I really think that it doesnt matter how fast the car is, how much it costs, or what it looks like, its all about what represents YOU. For me its Ferrari if i had to explain why you wouldnt understand.

I'm going for the Green Wheeled Koenigsegg CCXR

http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/top-2007-Koenigsegg-CCXR.htm

Porches are common. I like Lambos, but I love Ferraris.