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Reply #60 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 11:07am

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Charlie wrote on Jan 3rd, 2007 at 11:00am:
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And there are two types of planes in the world, DC-3s and planes that wish they could be as good as a DC-3 Grin


Lol! Nice one! I like that... Wink Grin

Funny... Ozzy's sig says exactly the same about Spitfires.

This is quite a fancy plane. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that it's more of a plane than a DC-3.
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Reply #61 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 11:26am
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How about this plane?

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Reply #62 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 11:40am

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How about this plane?

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I think you'll find that's a matematical drawing. It passes no resemblance to a "plane" of either kind, be it a woodworker, or an aeroplane...

 
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Reply #63 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 12:12pm
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Charlie wrote on Jan 3rd, 2007 at 11:40am:
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How about this plane?

Ithinkyou'llfindthat'samatematicaldrawing.Itpassesnoresemblancetoa"plane"ofeitherkind,beitawoodworker,oranaeroplane...
You'requiteright.However,courtesyofthedictionary:plane1/pleɪn/noun,adjective,verb,planed,plan·ing.1.aflatorlevelsurface....3.FineArts.anareaofatwo-dimensionalsurfacehavingdeterminateextensionandspatialdirectionorposition:obliqueplane;horizontalplane.WinkHere'sanotherplane,insideawireframebox![img]http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/PlaneIntercept_1000.gif

Oh what fun.
 
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Reply #64 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 1:33pm

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Charlie wrote on Jan 3rd, 2007 at 11:40am:
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How about this plane?

[img]n/  noun, adjective, verb, planed, plan·ing.

1.      a flat or level surface.
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3.      Fine Arts. an area of a two-dimensional surface having determinate extension and spatial direction or position: oblique plane; horizontal plane.

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Here's another plane, inside a wireframe box!

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Oh what fun.



Still a 2D representation... Grin
 
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Reply #65 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 1:40pm

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Hows about a plain then? Or am I just getting silly?
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Reply #66 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 5:07pm

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Sorry it turned into such a big arguement, but part of the purpose of this forum is education.  I know a whole lot about aviation and airplanes thanks to this forum.  Before I came here I knew what a plane was, and that was about it.  I didn't know any terminology nor could I even identify a plane without getting in the passenger seat and looking at the safety information card.  Now I can identifyvirtually anything I see, I know about as much as any pilot knows about flying, and I have a couple thousand hours in the sim (probably more than 10,000 by now).

What I mean is that posts like this is where one learns the most.  People read these posts and if there is something useful posted they commit it to memory, and being such a huge DC-3 fan and supporter I don't want anyone getting the wrong information.

Also, there have been tons of favorite plane threads and every time half of those who respond basically list every aircraft they've ever seen.  Not many have just one favorite because we are all aviation fanatics and love ANYTHING with wings (except the A380, so ugly!)


Sorry about the whole thing. I said a lotta  crap. Basically, i know a lot for an average person, but for people that go on these forums, i no very little.

The DC-3 was a great plane and a reliable one. The 747 is a great plane and successful in the market.

Which is safer? Thats hard because you have to add in all the hours flown since 1969, all the hours flowin in years before 1969. All of the causes. If it was a pilotting mistake or not. Whether there were shorthanded at the tower.

There is so much to consider when you compare aircraft.

I hope that maybe some time someone will find out the safest plane of them all so we can all know.

Nick

By the way; how can you tell a DC-9 from a 717 when planespotting?
 
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Reply #67 - Jan 4th, 2007 at 10:12am
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NDSP wrote on Jan 3rd, 2007 at 5:07pm:
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Sorry it turned into such a big arguement, but part of the purpose of this forum is education.  I know a whole lot about aviation and airplanes thanks to this forum.  Before I came here I knew what a plane was, and that was about it.  I didn't know any terminology nor could I even identify a plane without getting in the passenger seat and looking at the safety information card.  Now I can identifyvirtually anything I see, I know about as much as any pilot knows about flying, and I have a couple thousand hours in the sim (probably more than 10,000 by now).

What I mean is that posts like this is where one learns the most.  People read these posts and if there is something useful posted they commit it to memory, and being such a huge DC-3 fan and supporter I don't want anyone getting the wrong information.

Also, there have been tons of favorite plane threads and every time half of those who respond basically list every aircraft they've ever seen.  Not many have just one favorite because we are all aviation fanatics and love ANYTHING with wings (except the A380, so ugly!)


Sorry about the whole thing. I said a lotta  crap. Basically, i know a lot for an average person, but for people that go on these forums, i no very little.

The DC-3 was a great plane and a reliable one. The 747 is a great plane and successful in the market.

Which is safer? Thats hard because you have to add in all the hours flown since 1969, all the hours flowin in years before 1969. All of the causes. If it was a pilotting mistake or not. Whether there were shorthanded at the tower.

There is so much to consider when you compare aircraft.

I hope that maybe some time someone will find out the safest plane of them all so we can all know.

Nick

By the way; how can you tell a DC-9 from a 717 when planespotting?


There is no 'safest plane'.  Its pilots that are to blame for the most part.  Even if something goes wrong with the plane, most of the time a skilled pilot can figure out a solution.

A DC-9 from a 717?  The sound.  DC-9s are louder I think.
 
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Reply #68 - Jan 4th, 2007 at 1:46pm
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A DC-9 from a 717?  The sound.  DC-9s are louder I think.


Ah, a DC-9 is better then. Grin
 
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Reply #69 - Jan 4th, 2007 at 6:44pm

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Reply #70 - Jan 5th, 2007 at 7:14am
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I bet in 2044 there will be at least one DC-3 still doing its job somewhere in the world.  Honestly it would be no surprise if a few are around for their 100 year anniversary in 2035.

Well I'd sure hope so for a plane of which 11000 were built. Take me back to the 30's and build me 11000 C-46's and then let's see how many are in service now. Hmmmmmm, 500?
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Well since its your favorite, I assume you know the DC-9 and 717 are the same plane, the 717 designation was given after Boeing purchased Douglas Commercial and began producing the DC-9.  The 717 was updated to have new avionics and I believe some slight design changes, but again, same plane.  

EDIT: I also assume you know all those MDs that you listed are pretty much the same, the 7, 8, and 90 are streched variants of the 80

The 717 is essentially a heavily modified DC-9-30. Don't be fooled by its age, it out performs the A318, 737-600, EMB-170, EMB-190 quiet easily on all short flights.

Hell, I've seen them pull 16+ hours of flight time a day, with the shortest freaken burn turns you've ever seen.

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Your super heavy 747, however, needs lots of thrust to stay airborne, so if both pilots die and the plane continues on AP and runs out of fuel, well then it goes down, and not softly.

That's getting silly. A 747 cruises at upto FL450 at mach .95 (.95 is MMO I think), cruising lower and slower will burn to much precious fuel, as well as taking huge amounts of time flying to destinations.

Don't compare planes safety records, as 95% of accidents are pilot error, and 99% of all known bugs in planes have been sorted out. Hell, I could claim the 777 and 717 safer than the DC-3 which simply, isn't true.

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Besides, not ALL 393 747s are flying either

Allitle more than 393 747's are flying. There have been 1,375 747's built to date of which most are still flying.
35 billion statute miles have been flown so far.
3.5 billion people people have been flown.

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If you want to argue against it, get you're facts straight, at least I did my research on the 747 before I discussed it.

Ummmmmmmmm. Right.

Can you say, One-thousand-three-hundred-and-seventy-five?

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A DC-9 from a 717?  The sound.  DC-9s are louder I think.

Yes..... Sound.....  Roll Eyes

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And I would not call the DC9 and 717 the same plane.
That's as accurate as calling a 737NG "the same plane as a 737-100".

LMFAO!

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With those numbers, 8.65 percent of the 747s produced crashed in civilian accidents.

Where'd you get the 8.65% from? My numbers are less than half that.

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By the way; how can you tell a DC-9 from a 717 when planespotting?

Tail number, sound, engines, brow windows (newer 717's don't have them), dc-9's are usually dirty and Airline Wink
 
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Reply #71 - Jan 5th, 2007 at 10:04am
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Where are your sources Dizza?  I did do my research, and thats the number I found.

11,000 were built, and Im sure there are more than 500 still around.  For a 76 year old propliner, that is very impressive.  I doubt that in 76 years there will be a comparable number of 747s flying

And yes, the 747 has flown a lot farther and more people than the DC-3.  But if you were to compare range and carrying capacity, it wouldn't seem so different. 

The fact of the matter is the DC-3 and 747 are two entirely different aircraft.  You can't compare them without fitting data.  I still consider the DC-3 a better aircraft because of its influence.  It was the fist aircraft to give operators a profit without subsidies from carrying mail.  It made up 90% of airline traffic for many years.  And finally, there are still large numbers of them working today even though most average over 40 years old.  THAT is why it is my favorite plane.
 
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Reply #72 - Jan 5th, 2007 at 11:30am
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11,000 were built, and Im sure there are more than 500 still around.  For a 76 year old propliner, that is very impressive.  I doubt that in 76 years there will be a comparable number of 747s flying

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The fact of the matter is the DC-3 and 747 are two entirely different aircraft.


Contradicting yourself a bit there, aren't you? Wink

Yes, the DC-3 and 747 are very different aircraft, and that's precisely why there are going to be more DC-3s still flying after 71 years, than the 747. A 747 will cost more to maintain, will be more difficult to maintain due to the added stresses that come with a larger, more complex aircraft and because it will eventually get replaced by larger, faster aircraft. The 747 isn't a short field aircraft, so it won't be able to be used in other roles after it's retired from service.

Anyway, Warbird Alley estimates there are around 300+ still flying, as opposed to 500.

http://warbirdalley.com/c47.htm


I have to say, I much prefer the DC-3 (well C-47, really) to the 747, simply because I prefer the vintage types, and I have no real interest in modern day airliners.
 
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Reply #73 - Jan 5th, 2007 at 9:03pm

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I like the big rigs, thats why i supported the 747-400. I admire the 747-100 because it was a pioneer is super-jumbo jet travel, when jet travel all together was still pretty young.

I also like the 757-200 with my friend rkjcomputerwiz who made an earlier post.

I just like any heavy jet. Especially the 747-400,300,200,100,SP,4h6 ETC

Nick

 
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Reply #74 - Jan 6th, 2007 at 2:23pm

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NDSP wrote on Jan 5th, 2007 at 9:03pm:
I like the big rigs, thats why i supported the 747-400. I admire the 747-100 because it was a pioneer is super-jumbo jet travel, when jet travel all together was still pretty young.

I also like the 757-200 with my friend rkjcomputerwiz who made an earlier post.

I just like any heavy jet. Especially the 747-400,300,200,100,SP,4h6 ETC

Nick


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