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Reply #45 - Dec 30th, 2006 at 4:20am
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Nexus wrote on Dec 29th, 2006 at 9:19pm:
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Light aircraft: Donno
Military: F-15C Eagle.
Warbird: P-51D
Helicopter: AH-64D and 'Littlebird'.
Commercial:
DC-9
MD80
MD87
MD88
MD90
Boeing 717. There is no plane which is in the same class which compares to the 717 in sound, safety, looks, efficiancy and payload. None. It's simply the best plane.

The only reason it didn't get many orders was it was to late, to small and lacked the range (Wasn't intended for the anyway).


Well since its your favorite, I assume you know the DC-9 and 717 are the same plane, the 717 designation was given after Boeing purchased Douglas Commercial and began producing the DC-9.  The 717 was updated to have new avionics and I believe some slight design changes, but again, same plane.

EDIT: I also assume you know all those MDs that you listed are pretty much the same, the 7, 8, and 90 are streched variants of the 80



Gee, and here I was thinking the MD87 was SHORTER than an MD80. Silly me  Roll Eyes
(Get your facts straight, the MD87 is the smallest MD80 member)

And I would not call the DC9 and 717 the same plane.
That's as accurate as calling a 737NG "the same plane as a 737-100".

Now to topic. For me it's a toss-up between the L1011 and 737NG. I cant decide.


Ooops, I sometimes get those mixed up.  I know the DC-9 and 717 arent the same, but they are both the same design, right?  Didn't the 717 come about as an updated DC-9?  Or am I just being crazy?
 
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Reply #46 - Jan 1st, 2007 at 9:33pm

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I would feel much safer in a DC-3


1. Have you ever even been in one???
2. Your just saying that because you need a good responce.
3. Did you ever realize that if the pilot falls asleep or something happens to him, theres no chance for the plane to stay in the air (hint hint, no autopilot) and will run out of fuel and ditch.
4. If it hits turbulence during the night and the altitude indicator fails, its gonna be a rough night.
5. I no someone whos has been on both, he said that when he was on the DC-3 he was afraid it wasn't gonna make the trip (I am not lying just for a comeback). Yet when he was on a 747 with my family and I,  he had no stress at all because he trusts a 747. Why, because it is a greatly selling airplane that everyone trusts. Why does everyone trust it?? Because it is an airliner, and there are very very few airliner crashes. (most airplane crashes are props....)

Face it, unless they are a complete DC-3 nut (as in you) a person would rather be on an airliner when making a commercial trip.

By the way this started this whole thing

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and i think it should be everyones favorite plane


Nick


Jeez, learn this word: RESEARCH!

1.  No I havent.  In fact, Ive never seen one in the air.  Does that make it any less safe? No.  It means that I have enough confidence in the design to fly it.
2.  No actually Im not.  I would feel much safer in a DC-3
3.  What crap is that?  A DC-3 has a Sperry autopilot (and many have upgraded avionics with new autopilot systems).  Not only does it have an autopilot, but your precious queen has autothrottle, which wouldn't exist if not for the DC-3 because the first autothrottle system was installed and tested on a DC-3
4.  Not really.  Thats what your EYES are for, and thats why planes have LIGHTS.  Not to mention the good old bubble sextant for night time navigation by the stars.
5.  That is just the most absurd statement ever.  Yes, airliners are safe.  Its the safest way to travel.  But you have to consider the fact that a prop will be loud and vibrate, giving a sense of insecurity to someone used to flying on a jet.  Most airplane crashes are props as in single engined light aircraft.  And I am assuming when you say 'airliner' you mean Jet airliner, because the DC-3 is an airliner BTW

You never asked if I would rather be on a jet or a DC-3 when making a trip.  Of course I would rather be on a jet, it gets me there faster.  But if I was given the choice between flying on a DC-3 for a day or a 747, I would chose a DC-3.

Look, I got out of hand with the 'it should be everyones favorite' comment, but lets face it: until you can get your facts straight you arent winning any battles or arguements over the two aircraft

EDIT:  To number 3, I read about a C-47 in WWII that ran out of fuel.  The crew ditched, only to find that their plane had landed itself a few miles away with minimal damage.  So even if your hypothetical no autopilot DC-3 was to hypothetically run out of fuel, you wouldnt be up a creek because the DC-3 doesnt need thrust to fly.  Your super heavy 747, however, needs lots of thrust to stay airborne, so if both pilots die and the plane continues on AP and runs out of fuel, well then it goes down, and not softly.



Alright Alright already,

My first trip on a 747 was such a great experience for me and I have liked it since. Im tired of argueing and just wanna raise the white flag.

Im baseing everything on 2007 and i know i shouldnt be because the DC-3 has been around since the late 30s. Im comparing a great plane of today to a great plane of the past (and present in some cases). It is true that it would be a great experience to fly on one, but im not sure I would pick it over a 747.

Im not giving in, just i wanna stop argueing.

I hoped this would be a Favorite Plane thread, but its in a death spiral caused by the liking of two different planes.

Peace from here on out please...

Nick


PS: I knew that the DC-3 was an airliner, i just made a mistake in specifying what i ment. 
 
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Reply #47 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 1:36am
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Sorry it turned into such a big arguement, but part of the purpose of this forum is education.  I know a whole lot about aviation and airplanes thanks to this forum.  Before I came here I knew what a plane was, and that was about it.  I didn't know any terminology nor could I even identify a plane without getting in the passenger seat and looking at the safety information card.  Now I can identifyvirtually anything I see, I know about as much as any pilot knows about flying, and I have a couple thousand hours in the sim (probably more than 10,000 by now).

What I mean is that posts like this is where one learns the most.  People read these posts and if there is something useful posted they commit it to memory, and being such a huge DC-3 fan and supporter I don't want anyone getting the wrong information.

Also, there have been tons of favorite plane threads and every time half of those who respond basically list every aircraft they've ever seen.  Not many have just one favorite because we are all aviation fanatics and love ANYTHING with wings (except the A380, so ugly!)
 
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Reply #48 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 7:48am

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SO...although the DC-3 has crashed MORE TIMES than the 747, compared to the 747, the DC-3 has a lower PERCENTAGE rate of accidents in the civilian market.  Therefore, the DC-3 is SAFER than the 747.

I think that would only be a reliable gage of safety if you're a pilot and planning on flying a single airplane from its birth until it goes to the junkyard.  In that case you'd be better off flying a DC3, you're correct (although the 747 has yet to reach the end of its production run so the jury is still out).

HOWEVER, if you're a normal pilot (not planning on wedding yourself to a single airframe) or a passenger, then hours aloft or miles traveled are MUCH better safety indicators.  Although there are fewer 747s built than DC3's I would hazard a guess that the total miles accumulated by that small number of 747s is greater than that of the DC3s, and the number of hours in the air probably tells a similar story.  Today's 747 is much harder working than its old DC3 brethren (more hours flying per year in service) and obviously flies much further on each flight.


Miles is probably more but I don't know about hours.  I mean there were 10,000 DC-3s and its not like any of them flew for an hour or so and then stopped.  Going back to some of the earlier arguements, you also have to consider the amount of stress and work each airframe is designed to take...


This is an interesting discussion as many would simply take it for granted that the 747 is a safer plane, but as you point out that may not be the case.  I think the argument would get more interesting if we considered the relative payload capacity as well.  For example, if I were a passenger (or 150 pounds of freight) what would be the safest plane to carry me?  So we'd have to compare either passenger seat miles per fatality or cargo pound miles per pound of cargo lost.  Obviously each flight of a 747 accrues more of both than a single DC3 flight, and each mile accrues more as well, but when a 747 goes down the number of fatalities (or cargo pounds) is also much greater.  Hmmm...

I'd assume some government agency must keep these kinds of numbers, but whether or not they're easily accessable...
 
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Reply #49 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 10:01am

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I've been watching this thread with interest. I couldn't name my favourite plane as the list would be far too long.

I don't know why everyone picks on Jake (Blue Man) for his infatuation with the DC-3. It's high on the list of my own favourites. It was a revolutionary design & way before its time so rightfully earned its place in history. It's one of those aircraft that fits the description "If it looks right it will fly right". The fact that many are still giving useful service today is a tribute to the manufacturers & design team.

While it's completely different from the DC-3 in many respects the B747 has some similarities & is also a classic. I think it looks extremely graceful for an aircraft of that size. Everyone said it was too big but it proved them all wrong by becoming the most successful jet airliner ever built. I don't think that record will be beaten for a very long time, if ever. Although she's getting on a bit now I would still prefer travelling on a 747 over any other jet airliner in service.

Just a couple of points. Blue Man said: Quote:
Your super heavy 747, however, needs lots of thrust to stay airborne, so if both pilots die and the plane continues on AP and runs out of fuel, well then it goes down, and not softly.

That's not the case & the 747 makes a very efficient glider. Read THIS There have been several similar incidents.

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we are all aviation fanatics and love ANYTHING with wings (except the A380, so ugly!)

I never understood why people feel they have to criticise the appearance of the A380. Perhaps it's some sort of misguided loyalty to Boeing. Roll Eyes Tongue Beauty is in the eye of the beholder & new things sometimes take a little getting used to. I remember thinking how fat & ugly the 747 was when I first saw one. That seems an awfully long time ago now.
 
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Reply #50 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 10:06am

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This is my favorite plane...
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It's a beauty isn't it?






 
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Reply #51 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 5:10pm

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Except For the A380, its so ugly


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Reply #52 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 5:19pm

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the best plane ever is the a380-800   NOT

The real best plane ever is the 757-232

Also the 747-400
 
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Reply #53 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 5:22pm

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rjkcomputerwiz wrote on Jan 2nd, 2007 at 5:19pm:
the best plane ever is the a380-800   NOT

The real best plane ever is the 757-232

Also the 747-400


1. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol,

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Reply #54 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 6:34pm

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Hagar wrote on Jan 2nd, 2007 at 10:01am:
Perhaps it's some sort of misguided loyalty to Boeing. Roll Eyes


I'm not the only one's who's noticed that then... Wink Cheesy Grin

As for the A380 bashers, certified on both sides of the Atlantic now, so in service by Q3 of 2007 (when's the 787 appearing - first flight before 2009 perhaps)... Grin


As for the debate: 

a) Jake - You've been told before. The Spit wins hands down (particularly a clipped Mk V with stubby spinner) Wink Cheesy Grin

as for others:

Biplane - Gloster Gladiator - beautiful to look at and a very benig roar from the Mercury

Bomber - Avro Lancaster - to see one today is an emotional experience to think of the forgotten men of Bomber Command, the force (after the U-Boat fleet) with the highest percentage losses of WWII

Commercial jet - Conceptually the Comet - no horrid engine pods. Grace - the VC-10. Coming up to today, the A-330 is very sleek, and we'll wait and see how the 787 appears. The 747 has been the world beater for 36 years though.

GA - Tough one. Maybe from the murmorings I hear, the Liberty XL2 will become as much of a classic as the C150...

Enough...
 
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Reply #55 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 9:11pm
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Charlie wrote on Jan 2nd, 2007 at 6:34pm:
Hagar wrote on Jan 2nd, 2007 at 10:01am:
Perhaps it's some sort of misguided loyalty to Boeing. Roll Eyes


I'm not the only one's who's noticed that then... Wink Cheesy Grin

As for the A380 bashers, certified on both sides of the Atlantic now, so in service by Q3 of 2007 (when's the 787 appearing - first flight before 2009 perhaps)... Grin


As for the debate: 

a) Jake - You've been told before. The Spit wins hands down (particularly a clipped Mk V with stubby spinner) Wink Cheesy Grin

as for others:

Biplane - Gloster Gladiator - beautiful to look at and a very benig roar from the Mercury

Bomber - Avro Lancaster - to see one today is an emotional experience to think of the forgotten men of Bomber Command, the force (after the U-Boat fleet) with the highest percentage losses of WWII

Commercial jet - Conceptually the Comet - no horrid engine pods. Grace - the VC-10. Coming up to today, the A-330 is very sleek, and we'll wait and see how the 787 appears. The 747 has been the world beater for 36 years though.

GA - Tough one. Maybe from the murmorings I hear, the Liberty XL2 will become as much of a classic as the C150...

Enough...


Just because the A380 has been certified doesn't mean its any less ugly Roll Eyes

And the spit LOSES, it can't even TOUCH the DC-3s greatness!
 
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Reply #56 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 5:13am
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Biplane - Fairey Swordfish

Bomber - Avro Vulcan

Commercial jet - The Comet

GA - Piper Tomahawk

Vintage Military - Soko Kraguj
 
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Reply #57 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 8:31am

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Just because the A380 has been certified doesn't mean its any less ugly Roll Eyes



But it does mean it's bashers can belt up about it being really late (in a project this big it's hardly late at all to be fair) and being general doom and gloom merchants...


One more thing...

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And the spit LOSES, it can't even TOUCH the DC-3s greatness!


Oooooooh no it doesn't... Wink Cheesy Grin
 
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Reply #58 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 10:37am
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Charlie wrote on Jan 3rd, 2007 at 8:31am:
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Just because the A380 has been certified doesn't mean its any less ugly Roll Eyes



But it does mean it's bashers can belt up about it being really late (in a project this big it's hardly late at all to be fair) and being general doom and gloom merchants...


One more thing...

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And the spit LOSES, it can't even TOUCH the DC-3s greatness!


Oooooooh no it doesn't... Wink Cheesy Grin


I have commented in the past about the A380s lateness, but that was bashing Airbus's tactics, not the plane itself.

And there are two types of planes in the world, DC-3s and planes that wish they could be as good as a DC-3 Grin
 
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Reply #59 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 11:00am

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And there are two types of planes in the world, DC-3s and planes that wish they could be as good as a DC-3 Grin


Lol! Nice one! I like that... Wink Grin
 
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