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Dec 20th, 2006 at 9:55am

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I've read about them some time ago.  This past weekend, I had a chance to see the movie Sophie Scholl.  I was impressed.  In the trial scene, Nazi judge, Roland Freisler was ranting and raving.  In the interview section of the DVD, at the end of Sophie Scholl's sister's interview, there was actual footage of Hans Scholl's trial.  The judge was more over the top and abusive than the movie depicted.


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Hans Scholl, Sophie Scholl, and Christoph Probst, all executed by the NAZI's for daring to print anti-NAZI leaflettes.
 
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Reply #1 - Dec 20th, 2006 at 3:13pm

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Got to the wrong part of the world today and distribute something "anti" and you would still be getting the same treatment.  Lips Sealed

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Reply #2 - Dec 20th, 2006 at 5:05pm

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expat wrote on Dec 20th, 2006 at 3:13pm:
Got to the wrong part of the world today and distribute something "anti" and you would still be getting the same treatment.  Lips Sealed

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I think you're right.  I wonder, is Salman Rushdie still in hiding?   Huh
 
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Reply #3 - Dec 21st, 2006 at 2:41am

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dcunning30 wrote on Dec 20th, 2006 at 5:05pm:
expat wrote on Dec 20th, 2006 at 3:13pm:
Got to the wrong part of the world today and distribute something "anti" and you would still be getting the same treatment.  Lips Sealed

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I think you're right.  I wonder, is Salman Rushdie still in hiding?   Huh


He pops his head up from time to time, mainly when plugging another book.

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Reply #4 - Dec 31st, 2006 at 11:07am

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These young people are some of Germany's greatest heroes, often overlooked when non-Germans discuss or consider that period in history.

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Reply #5 - Dec 31st, 2006 at 5:13pm

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dcunning30 wrote on Dec 20th, 2006 at 5:05pm:
I think you're right.  I wonder, is Salman Rushdie still in hiding?   Huh


Not as much as he used to be... Smiley
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 5:11pm
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beaky wrote on Dec 31st, 2006 at 11:07am:
These young people are some of Germany's greatest heroes, often overlooked when non-Germans discuss or consider that period in history.


I'm surprised that someone actually mentions this here.
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 10:38am

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And Roland Freisler escaped the gallows by getting killed during an air raid.

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Reply #8 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 1:45pm
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dcunning30 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2007 at 10:38am:
And Roland Freisler escaped the gallows by getting killed during an air raid.


Now that's what you can call a lucky buggar. Cheesy
 
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Reply #9 - Jan 6th, 2007 at 8:18pm

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The members of the "Weisse Rose" sure were courageous, but theres something I have to add, also in the direction of the conspiracy of the 20th of June 1944: they all acted too late.

Why did they not raise their voices in, let´s say 1938, if they were really against Hitler? Why did they only came in 1943 or 1944 when it was obvious that Germany was losing the war?
 
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Reply #10 - Jan 6th, 2007 at 9:25pm
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Ijineda wrote on Jan 6th, 2007 at 8:18pm:
Why did they not raise their voices in, let´s say 1938, if they were really against Hitler?


Because till, let's say the end of 1940, it really worked out. Hitler got the people Autobahnen, a lower crime rate, jobs plus serveral countries and practically ended the everlasting Post-Versailles disgrace while making Germany the world's most fearsome country.
England wasn't that much of a dangerous opponent and no one of those on the street realized that the guy leading the country wanted way more than he had achieved.
The "Endlösung" wasn't much of a subject either.
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 7th, 2007 at 8:35am

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Yeah, I think the climax of popularity was in 1940 after the conquest of the biggest opponent - France. BUT: it was clear where Hitler was aiming at. Sure, the Endlösung only took place since 1943, but the assaults on jews or communists startet right in 1933...just remember the Reichskristallnacht in 1938.

But I know that it is sooo easy to judge nowadays.

So I got one question: How would Hitler be seen today if he died from a heart attack in 1938? And how would Germany and therefore Europe and therefore the World look?
 
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Reply #12 - Jan 7th, 2007 at 9:08am

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Ijineda wrote on Jan 7th, 2007 at 8:35am:
So I got one question: How would Hitler be seen today if he died from a heart attack in 1938? And how would Germany and therefore Europe and therefore the World look?



Probably not too much of a PC answer, but possibly grossly over populated  Undecided  And Hitler would have been seen as an innovative and dynamic leader of the 20 century  Roll Eyes 

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Reply #13 - Jan 7th, 2007 at 9:16am

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expat wrote on Jan 7th, 2007 at 9:08am:
Ijineda wrote on Jan 7th, 2007 at 8:35am:
So I got one question: How would Hitler be seen today if he died from a heart attack in 1938? And how would Germany and therefore Europe and therefore the World look?



Probably not too much of a PC answer, but possibly grossly over populated  Undecided  And Hitler would have been seen as an innovative and dynamic leader of the 20 century  Roll Eyes  

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Probably not that over populated. There wouldn't have been the post war baby boom. Not sure how WWII effected the spread of communism though. But chances are the population would be similar if not smaller.
 
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Reply #14 - Jan 7th, 2007 at 12:26pm
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Ijineda wrote on Jan 7th, 2007 at 8:35am:
BUT: it was clear where Hitler was aiming at.


Nope. Surprisingly, only very few people ever read "Mein Kampf", in which Hitler's aims were stated. That book was either not even touched or not taken seriously.

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Sure, the Endlösung only took place since 1943, but the assaults on jews or communists startet right in 1933...just remember the Reichskristallnacht in 1938.


There has always been a slight anitsemitism in the people throughout Europe, which was perfectly fueled by national socialist propaganda.
The anticommunism...well...popular movement of the early 20th century?

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So I got one question: How would Hitler be seen today if he died from a heart attack in 1938? And how would Germany and therefore Europe and therefore the World look?


Differently and probably communist.
 
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