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Splendid flight! Flight #138 pt 1... w/pix! (Read 476 times)
Dec 18th, 2006 at 12:08am

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Now, this will be confusing... I'm going to start posting pix of upcoming flights (when I have some) with text a la my recent old journal entries... so it will be as if time is moving backwards and forwards simultaneously... head... spinning...

For flight journal entries in my logbook, I'll be including the remarks from the book, verbatim.

12-18-06
C-172SP
47N-N70-47N
1.8 solo
5 landings

"Norm, short t.o/lndg, pattern ops, VOR nav, dead reckoning, unfam airport, dusk ops"



Been two months since my last flight... at the last minute, got the SP from 3PM on, which meant I had to be parked by 5, when the sun officially sets this time of year. I'm  legal to fly without pax after dark, but it's been a long time, and there was a cold front moving in from the west, close enough to be of some concern.

Had a vague plan to do N05 to N70 then home, then decided while driving to the airport to play it safe and allow for any delay by just going to N70 and back... or even keeping it local. I really wanted to do some maneuvering, so just staying in the pattern wouldn't do...but I was undecided on leaving the immediate vicinity.

Arrived a bit early, but the airplane wasn't back yet. Got it ready to go at exactly 1500; even started it properly on the first try. Decided to do 3 circuits for legal currency before going anywhere, and while taxiing after the second (fairly good) landing, I spied the "Silver Bullet" taxiing out.

On base for 25, just before my second landing
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I keyed the mic for a quick howdy:

"Hey, Gus, where you going?"

"I dunno; you tell me- where are we going?"
"I'm thinking... west."
""West sounds good..."
"I wanna do one more, then we go west"
"OK."

Here's the RV-4 on a takeoff roll... whoops, busy taxiing
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So we each did a circuit, then I started out first.



-another blind shot... that's not the runway back there, it's the RR tracks-
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We switched to 123.45, and in a few minutes Gus was at my 4 o'clock, well-spaced. It was hardly a formation flight at all, as neither of us has done much of that.


not much of a shot, but my first air-to-air at the controls. Whoop-dee-doo...
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"How about Pennridge?" I asked. I had already followed the RR tracks a bit SW, intending to go do maneuvers nearby, but decided that with Gus to lead the way, the hop to Penn ridge would be simple.

"Sounds good."

The vis was about 10 miles; the sun was low, right in my face, and hidden by clouds. When he pulled ahead of me to lead the way, I could only make out the RV by its strobes. I knew the way roughly, but it was nice to have a seasoned local leading.



must've been between flashes here... can you see it?
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About halfway there, near 3000 feet we realized we had about a 30-knot headwind. I hadn't topped off, but had about 22 gallons. Two hours, plus. But I was getting nervous. I couldn't recall the last time I'd left the pattern without full tanks... and there was a slightly lower cloud deck ahead. It was getting quite dark.
"I think I"m gonna stick the tanks again when we get there..." I told Gus.

Finally, Lake Noxamixon and the airport hove into view, and I almost pranged the 172 on landing, flaring way too high because the runway at N70 is twice as wide as at 47N... fortunately, I realized my mistake at once and checked my flare just enough to not let her drop too hard. I chuckled at myself... ...back in my student days, that would've been a real thumper. Got to get out of the TP more, though...

Parked near the pumps, sticked the tanks... burned only about 10 gallons...plenty left to return to 47N, especially with the strong west wind. But maybe I should top off, so I'm certain... no... but as I looked at the pump, I realized it was not a self-serve setup.

"Well", said Gus", your mind is made up for you".

I shrugged and again started the fuel-injected bird perfectly... twice in a rwo; a new record for me!

Next: pt. 2 (last)
 

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Reply #1 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 6:37am
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The sky in the last shot is great Sean, wonderful colours.

Yup...I would say that was a loose formation alright... Smiley

I am surprised that the last person that flew the aircraft did not refuel it especially when the pumps are still open.  That is common practice here at most Flying Clubs to refuel after use.

I got the old girl trained to refuel after use, she even pitches in to wash the aircraft and equipment as well.   Smiley

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug



 
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Reply #2 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 7:22am

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I had to smile when I read the "twice in a row"   Smiley  re: fuel injected, engine starts. They can be ornery, easy to flood and the procedure is counter-intuitive... and every one of them has its own quirks...

I'll bet starters and batteries last about 1/2 as long in them...lol
 
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Reply #3 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 7:39am

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Flying Trucker wrote on Dec 18th, 2006 at 6:37am:
The sky in the last shot is great Sean, wonderful colours.

Yup...I would say that was a loose formation alright... Smiley


We thought it best... our "prior agreement" was pretty vague, and I've frankly never flown in formation before. So once he was off, I told him my heading and alt., and he let me know what side he'd come up on. We got a little closer before he pulled ahead, when we both had to turn right... I turned inside a bit more to see him better. But still very loose- in a proper formation, you wouldn't be taking turns as lead like that...
That RV is something else; at less than 60% power he could've flown rings around the Skyhawk at Vno. Had to ask him to slow down when he was out front... Grin

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I am surprised that the last person that flew the aircraft did not refuel it especially when the pumps are still open.  That is common practice here at most Flying Clubs to refuel after use.

I got the old girl trained to refuel after use, she even pitches in to wash the aircraft and equipment as well.   Smiley



It's one of my gripes with this rental outfit; they don't admonish people for not topping off. The reason most folks pass on it is because it's self-serve, and it's way over on the other side of the field, across the runway. this particular renter had ample time to do it, having returned pretty early...

But in the end, he's not responsible for my safety (or in this case my peace of mind); I am.
Next time, I'll use some daylight to get 'er topped off... one less thing to think about. Had I returned 15 minutes later, I'd have done all right and still been legal, as far as the night flying is concerned.




 

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Reply #4 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 7:43am

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Dec 18th, 2006 at 7:22am:
I had to smile when I read the "twice in a row"   Smiley  re: fuel injected, engine starts. They can be ornery, easy to flood and the procedure is counter-intuitive... and every one of them has its own quirks...

I'll bet starters and batteries last about 1/2 as long in them...lol


They sure seem to... that damn pump!! Runs the battery right down.
Unless you do it just right, timing wise:
Mixture full lean, master on, pump on, mixture rich, mixture lean, pump off, mags start, mixture full rich....  Roll Eyes

The stupidest thing about it is that this is just done to prime it, but oddly enough it won't start, even warm, without it (not for me, anyway). An aux pump is nice for backup, but I wish they'd incorporated a good ol'  manual primer tube...  Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #5 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 7:54am

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*this may not apply to all F/I Cessnas*    Tongue

Starting an engine with the mixture knob where you put it to KILL the engine, always made me wonder..   So I just do it my own way now.  Cold starts are by the book.. but on hot/warm starts... I put the mixture about 3/4" from full lean.. and open the throttle at least 1/3.

It's worked pretty well to date (knock wood)..

Edit:  No fuel pump at all, on hot starts..
 
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Reply #6 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 10:17am

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Aye Brett, I can't remember the last time I didn't have problems starting one of the school's fuel-injected 172s.

Brett_Henderson wrote on Dec 18th, 2006 at 7:54am:
Edit:  No fuel pump at all, on hot starts..

Yeah, that'll flood you pretty badly, as I learned... Roll Eyes

Great pics Sean, Pennridge is a kind of cool airport.  I have some great pics from when I took a friend up a week ago, I may post them.

And since you reminded me at the top, I have a quick question: post-ppl, do you still log solo time, or just PIC?  I'm getting near the bottom row on my logbook, so I need to know before I do any adding Cheesy
 
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Reply #7 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 10:57am

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beefhole wrote on Dec 18th, 2006 at 10:17am:
Aye Brett, I can't remember the last time I didn't have problems starting one of the school's fuel-injected 172s.

Brett_Henderson wrote on Dec 18th, 2006 at 7:54am:
Edit:  No fuel pump at all, on hot starts..

Yeah, that'll flood you pretty badly, as I learned... Roll Eyes


Y'know, I thought of that this last time, and double-checked the very thorough Cessna checklist... no mention of it.
I know, I know... the POH... BUT: first time I killed the battery in that thing (and flooded it very nicely, thank you), despite the eye-rolling at the office, etc., nobody mentioned not using the pump. Until last night, it did not occur to me that it was merely being used as a primer... I know some aircraft need a boost pump for startup pressure...


[quote]And since you reminded me at the top, I have a quick question: post-ppl, do you still log solo time, or just PIC?  I'm getting near the bottom row on my logbook, so I need to know before I do any adding Cheesy


Whatever... I should probably get my own copy of the POH; God knows what else I'm not aware of.  Undecided

I still use the column marked "solo-including PIC", but now that you mention it, that may not be the way it's supposed to be done. (d'oh...) Undecided

However, if it's daytime VFR and not a cross-country and it's not a dual lesson, that's the only column available to log PIC time.

So... ???
 

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beaky wrote on Dec 18th, 2006 at 10:57am:
Whatever... I should probably get my own copy of the POH; God knows what else I'm not aware of.  Undecided

I still use the column marked "solo-including PIC", but now that you mention it, that may not be the way it's supposed to be done. (d'oh...) Undecided

However, if it's daytime VFR and not a cross-country and it's not a dual lesson, that's the only column available to log PIC time.

So... ???

Now I'm confused.  I'm pretty positive my logbook has a solo column, and a PIC column.  When you're a solo student, you just mark both.  Do they have different kinds of logbooks, or am I just mistaken?
 
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beefhole wrote on Dec 18th, 2006 at 1:47pm:
beaky wrote on Dec 18th, 2006 at 10:57am:
Whatever... I should probably get my own copy of the POH; God knows what else I'm not aware of.  Undecided

I still use the column marked "solo-including PIC", but now that you mention it, that may not be the way it's supposed to be done. (d'oh...) Undecided

However, if it's daytime VFR and not a cross-country and it's not a dual lesson, that's the only column available to log PIC time.

So... ???

Now I'm confused.  I'm pretty positive my logbook has a solo column, and a PIC column.  When you're a solo student, you just mark both.  Do they have different kinds of logbooks, or am I just mistaken?


Mine says "Solo- including PIC", that's all I know.
Or is it "PIC- including solo"? Yeah, that must be it. Wouldn't make sense otherwise. I've logged PIC time since my certification by flying (hands-on) with another licensed pilot, but not in a lesson situation.  Not solo flight, technically.
 

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Ok, I'm pretty sure we have different logbooks.  Mine has one distinct solo column, one PIC column.  Nothing combining the two.
 
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beefhole wrote on Dec 18th, 2006 at 2:20pm:
Ok, I'm pretty sure we have different logbooks.  Mine has one distinct solo column, one PIC column.  Nothing combining the two.


Mine's a standard Jepp logbook; latest copyright on it is 1994. Not surprised yours is different.

10 1/2 pages; about 30 to go... one of my goals as a pilot is to fill this book. Grin

So that means I need 390 more flights... Yikes!!  There's 13 entry lines per page!!  Shocked

Oh well, superstition just brings bad luck... Wink
 

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Good luck with that, I've still got a ways to go myself Tongue

So, anyone else want to take a stab at it?
 
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Nice one Sean. That formation pic makes me want to go flying even more. Grin Great photo-op, man. Smiley Wink
 
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Reply #14 - Dec 19th, 2006 at 12:24am

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beefhole wrote on Dec 18th, 2006 at 10:03pm:
Good luck with that, I've still got a ways to go myself Tongue

So, anyone else want to take a stab at it?


Common sense would dictate that if you have separate columns for PIC and Solo, you should just carry on as you've been doing.
As a licensed pilot, you'll put the time in both columns, unless it's a BFR or a flight with another pilot, even if you are "sole manipulator".

I think.  Undecided 

Might want to email AOPA or the FAA or perhaps whoever printed that logbook...
 

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