Simviation Forum - USAF: Indian Exercises Showed Need For F/A-22

Dec 12^th, 2006 at 9:31am

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Reply #1 - Dec 12^th, 2006 at 9:50am

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I had mentioned this a few weeks ago but no one too me seriously as I in India and have contact wtih some IAF guys I know the true story.

The IAF beat the hell of USAF and RAF also.

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Reply #2 - Dec 12^th, 2006 at 10:07am

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This is old news.

Part of the result was the USAF not really trying very hard. Because if the F15 came out a clear winner in any military exercise then the government may think that the F22 was a waste of time and cut funding to it.

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Reply #3 - Dec 12^th, 2006 at 1:48pm

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eniranjanrao wrote on Dec 12^th, 2006 at 9:50am:

I had mentioned this a few weeks ago but no one too me seriously as I in India and have contact wtih some IAF guys I know the true story.

The IAF beat the hell of USAF and RAF also.

I agree with you... IAF rocks! Cool

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Reply #4 - Dec 12^th, 2006 at 1:51pm

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Woodlouse2002 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2006 at 10:07am:

Part of the result was the USAF not really trying very hard. Because if the F15 came out a clear winner in any military exercise then the government may think that the F22 was a waste of time and cut funding to it.

Exactly. A very good friend of mine in marine intelligence had plenty to say about this, and the bulk of it was "don't put too much stock in it." It is of course ridiculous to say the USAF deliberately threw it, but I doubt they seriously exerted themselves in a friendly exercise-not to mention they were outnumbered in every single exercise against comparable aircraft.

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Reply #5 - Dec 12^th, 2006 at 9:21pm

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Really disagree, that the F-22 will become a exported fighter for allies, that is just too early in the game, "my opinion", and don't see a real good reason for a change from the F-15. The F-15 has the most sophisticated radar, across from the F-22 and shoot to kill awareness, shooting beyond enemy sight etc. That's all they need. Cool

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Reply #6 - Dec 12^th, 2006 at 10:11pm

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Woodlouse2002 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2006 at 10:07am:

This is old news.

Part of the result was the USAF not really trying very hard. Because if the F15 came out a clear winner in any military exercise then the government may think that the F22 was a waste of time and cut funding to it.

Sorry, but I think that you will not find a single fighter Jockey in the world that in any sort of combat, real or training is "not really trying very hard". Their

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Reply #7 - Dec 13^th, 2006 at 8:47am

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expat wrote on Dec 12^th, 2006 at 10:11pm:

Sorry, but I think that you will not find a single fighter Jockey in the world that in any sort of combat, real or training is "not really trying very hard". Their

Egos

are just toooooooo

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I've already addressed that point in my post.

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Reply #8 - Dec 13^th, 2006 at 5:17pm

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1: Proving that they needed the F/A-22 was a pre-planned goal... im not surprised about that.
2: They really got their asses kicked by MiG-21's
3: IAF wasnt even showing their best (Su-30MKI with TVC was kept in the hangar as the US wasn't willing to let the F-117 join in the fun)

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Reply #9 - Dec 14^th, 2006 at 2:50pm

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Ivan wrote on Dec 13^th, 2006 at 5:17pm:

3: IAF wasnt even showing their best (Su-30MKI with TVC was kept in the hangar as the US wasn't willing to let the F-117 join in the fun)

That'll be because the US don't like letting people in on the fact that their stealth aircraft arn't as stealthy as they would have you want to believe.

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Reply #10 - Dec 15^th, 2006 at 8:17pm

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Woodlouse2002 wrote on Dec 14^th, 2006 at 2:50pm:

Ivan wrote on Dec 13^th, 2006 at 5:17pm:

3: IAF wasnt even showing their best (Su-30MKI with TVC was kept in the hangar as the US wasn't willing to let the F-117 join in the fun)

That'll be because the US don't like letting people in on the fact that their stealth aircraft arn't as stealthy as they would have you want to believe.

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Reply #11 - Dec 16^th, 2006 at 7:02pm

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This is wonderfull nowdays...an old birb still kicking some a**es... the Bison version...and USAF agree with that...lol

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Reply #12 - Dec 17^th, 2006 at 8:04pm

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Reply #13 - Dec 17^th, 2006 at 9:55pm

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And that article confirms what has been said before-Americans were outnumbered 3 to 1 in EVERY scenario, and India has some damn good pilots. In wartime, I know who I'm sticking with.

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Reply #14 - Dec 18^th, 2006 at 7:57am

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beefhole wrote on Dec 17^th, 2006 at 9:55pm:

And that article confirms what has been said before-Americans were outnumbered 3 to 1 in EVERY scenario, and India has some damn good pilots. In wartime, I know who I'm sticking with.

But the American strategy has always been to use technology to counter a numerically superior opponent. 3:1 is what US pilots should be prepared to encounter in real life engagements. The cynical view is that the whole thing is a ruse to bolster funding for the F-22. But the timing isn't right, it's about two years too late. Funding for the F-22 is firm. With JSF pushed out and the Defense Industrial Supply Base law thing (that says the Air Force MUST fund the F-22 until JSF production begins) and nobody really challenging the F-22 funding there's no reason to spend a zillion dollars in jet fuel and give yourself a media black eye by having your pilots lose to a (popularly assumed) technically inferior adversary. The real story here is how skilkled and talented the Indian Air Force pilots are.

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