Simviation Forum - The future of Embraer

Dec 2^nd, 2006 at 9:44am

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With the ERJ-145 series going strong and the new E-jets launched and gaining momentum, what do you think the future holds for Embraer? Are they going to focus on small regional and corporate jets, or do they have the potential to become the next Boeing or Airbus? Anyone know if there is anything in development?

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Reply #1 - Dec 2^nd, 2006 at 4:04pm

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Their 170/190 series is nagging the market for the A319 and smaller 737's for sure.

However neither Boeing nor Airbus sees them as a real threat (both A and B have large backlogs to show for in the single aisle market).

The company that is suffering the most is Bombardier with its Canadair Regional Jets. It is clearly being outperformed by the Embraers at the moment.

Bombardier had an answer for the E170.
Designated the "C-series" Bombardier developed a serious contender to capture the 100 seat market. But for some reason it never materialized...although Bombardier still have engineers working on it.

But I dont see Embraer being the next "Boeing" or "Airbus". They would have to invest so healivy and the risks would be huge. They have seem to find their niche, and I think they're pretty content with their situation at the moment.

That is how I feel about it

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Reply #2 - Dec 2^nd, 2006 at 4:26pm

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I hope they continue to expand.....its always good to have some friendly competition for various markets........and with noses like this....roll on the new designs Grin

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Reply #3 - Dec 2^nd, 2006 at 4:33pm

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On a serious side, I think Embraer will continue to sit happily in the "second tier" below the big big US and European money behind Boeing and Airbus, happily filling the smaller classes and their military products too...

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Reply #4 - Dec 3^rd, 2006 at 4:21am

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Embraer is operating in the most crowded market segment ever...

- Boeing does see them as a threat, but has decided to team up with SNECMA, NPO Saturn and Sukhoi (Sukhoi RRJ: 90, 100 and 110 pax versions in development) instead of spending huge amounts of money on a completely new production line.
- Airbus uses EU pressure to keep their market share up. Not buying Airbus means no flights to Paris.
- Rekkof (if it ever becomes reality) has a far better product from both passenger and owner point of view, with the widest Regional Jet fuselage in the 70-100 pax category (F-100 and F-70) and much lower maitnance costs due to the special fuselage construction.

The area in which really interesting things are going to happen is regional turboprops... as some airlines discovered that for some distances they are cheaper than the smallest RJ... Only large manufacturers left in that area at the moment are ATR (part owned by Airbus), Bombardier, Antonov (co-operates with HESA on the An-140) and Xian (MA-60)

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Reply #5 - Dec 3^rd, 2006 at 6:15am

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Wonder if the Rekkof project will ever take to the skies.
I heard about this many ears ago, but I have no clue what will happen.

The ATR and Q400s are better and more economical than RJ's on shorter routes.

I used to fly MD87's into EKCH and that flight was roughly 35 mins long. SAS now flies Q400's there Roll Eyes

And it's ncie to see Asian projects, but I'm afraid western airliens will choose existing aircrafts because of financial AND political reasons

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Reply #6 - Dec 3^rd, 2006 at 7:17am

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Sukhoi RRJ is:
second option for: KLM Cityhopper (after Rekkof)
primary option for: Air france (french engines), Utair.

- Xian MA-60 is operated by just one airline (Air Zimbabwe). Basically a modified An-24 with some fuselage stretch and PW turboprops. The ones in china are all stored.
- An-140: 2 of these crashed, one factory demo plane (which was in regular service with Aeromist) crashed while doing a press demo for HESA (cause: CFIT), other one (from Azal) crashed just after takeoff (also pilot error). There is a possibility that Antonov will have some parts assembled at HESA to reduce costs... probably killing all export orders with that.

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Reply #7 - Dec 4^th, 2006 at 12:33am

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I don't think it is a crowded market. No western airline will buy Xian MA-60 or An-140 or An-148. Sukhoi might sell some aircraft, we'll see.

The only other serious RJ manufacturer is Bombardier who are struggling to produce a 130 seat jet, so Embraer is looking good.

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Reply #8 - Jan 1^st, 2007 at 7:13am

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What is this Rekkof You guys keep talking about? A reincarnation of Fokker?

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Reply #9 - Jan 1^st, 2007 at 11:55am

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pepper_airborne wrote on Jan 1^st, 2007 at 7:13am:

What is this Rekkof You guys keep talking about? A reincarnation of Fokker?

Rekkof = Fokker 70/100 with Tay engines and CRT displays

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Reply #10 - Jan 2^nd, 2007 at 1:43am

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Ivan wrote on Jan 1^st, 2007 at 11:55am:

pepper_airborne wrote on Jan 1^st, 2007 at 7:13am:

What is this Rekkof You guys keep talking about? A reincarnation of Fokker?

Rekkof = Fokker 70/100 with Tay engines and CRT displays

OMG Rekkof is Fokker spelled backwards! I'm slow...

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Reply #11 - Jan 9^th, 2007 at 12:03pm

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Ivan wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2006 at 4:21am:

- Airbus uses EU pressure to keep their market share up. Not buying Airbus means no flights to Paris.

Are you serious????? Shocked

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Reply #12 - Jan 9^th, 2007 at 12:23pm

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dcunning30 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2007 at 12:03pm:

Ivan wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2006 at 4:21am:

- Airbus uses EU pressure to keep their market share up. Not buying Airbus means no flights to Paris.

Are you serious????? Shocked

Well, the French do have a history of being very strong willed - particularly if it involves upsetting foreigners. For example, when the farmers are unhappy, they blockade Calais, the main ferry port on the French side of the English Channel, stopping pretty much all freight traffic...

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Reply #13 - May 26^th, 2007 at 2:10pm

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Now come on, no anti-french stuff please, this thread's about a Brazilian company that's doing quite well at the moment...

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