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Reply #30 - Nov 27th, 2006 at 4:41pm

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Sorry Chris, seems I'm sort-of repeating you...

Why are folks petitioning the government?  That seems quite strange to me, unless a governmental agency deemed the aircraft not airworthy.  If so, petitions will have no bearing on Concorde's future.  If that's not the case, British Airways would be flying Concorde IF it deems the aircraft is economically viable.  Therein lies the rub.  If Concorde is economically viable, there would be no need for a petition campaign.  ....which leads us back to Jake's previous statement.     ..... Shocked Shocked Shocked
 

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Reply #31 - Nov 27th, 2006 at 5:06pm

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Why are folks petitioning the government?

The objective of the Save Concorde Group is clearly explained in their Mission Statement. http://www.save-concorde.co.uk/Site/page.php?7
 

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Reply #32 - Nov 27th, 2006 at 5:13pm

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Talk about self-incrimination!   Cheesy  From the link:

"The British and French people paid for the development of Concorde. Those same people have a right to be allowed to see this great icon of the 20th century grace the skies once more."

LOL!  Even though Airbus is a seperate legal entity, this is fodder for the ongoing Airbus vs Boeing litigation wars!
 

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Reply #33 - Nov 27th, 2006 at 5:23pm

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The public lost rights the second the plane was sold to BA.
I wont go into this argument for the millionth time, i've put several reasons behind why it'll never happen. All from people with actual connections to the dang thing. Its been done to death a million times this topic.
 
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Reply #34 - Nov 27th, 2006 at 5:33pm

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LOL!  Even though Airbus is a seperate legal entity, this is fodder for the ongoing Airbus vs Boeing litigation wars!

It's never been a secret that the development of Concorde was funded by the British & French taxpayers. I have no doubt that an American SST programme would have been at least partly funded by the US taxpayers.

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On June 5, 1963, President John F. Kennedy formed the National Supersonic Transport program, which committed the government to subsidizing 75% of the development costs of a commercial airliner to compete with Concorde.
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Reply #35 - Nov 28th, 2006 at 8:44am
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Concorde back in the air??... yes please... will it happen? Am afraid not...

Read a brilliant piece about Concorde written by Jeremy Clarkson... Not the most reliable source but his words on it seemed about right.

Basically it comes down to this.... Concorde is currently to slow. Managers from big company's can nowadays talk to each other " live" Through the internet.

What he also said and that is something I agree with is..

With the last flight of Concorde humankind took, for the first time a step backwards in Evolution...  Us normal Passengers could once travel the atlantic ocean in 3 hours whereas it'll now take us 7 hours at least.

It was a beautifull Bird and captured the imagination of many. There will be lot's of people who as young children, dreamed of flying on Concorde on day. Some may have forfilled that dream, others saw that dream shatter when the bird made her last flight. Now I don't think many people will dream of one day being inside a 747 or something like it.

Concorde wasn't just a collection of metal and other parts. It was a plane which stood for Human ambition to reach the unreachable. A Icon of 20th century engineering.

Unfortunately.. even that wasn't enough to counter the eco-bunch..

 
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Reply #36 - Nov 28th, 2006 at 10:36am

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With the last flight of Concorde humankind took, for the first time a step backwards in Evolution...  Us normal Passengers could once travel the atlantic ocean in 3 hours whereas it'll now take us 7 hours at least.

One could also say the same thing about Apollo 14, the last moon flight.

But I guess I'd question what "forward" evolution means.  If it means achieving audacous goals at all costs then sure, the 7 hour trans-atlantic flight is a step back, but if it means delivering a higher quality of living to the species then the Concorde isn't even an evolutionary point.  It didn't effect enough people to make an impact, and those that it did effect simply found it, in the end, not worth their money.  They found other ways to improve their quality of living at the expense of 4 hours of across the pond travel.  I'm sure if some zillionaire wanted to pay a couple million for a personal 3 hour transatlatic flight then the Concorde would be back in the air tomorrow.

So, killing the Concorde is actually a step forward.  It makes that money available for other quality-of-life advancing investments.  Ditto the moon missions.  All that tax money gets put to other, more valuable uses (one can dream that it ideally gets returned to the tax payer, but who are we kidding...)

We could pool our money to build a giant sculpture made of gold and claim it as an evolutionary advance, but ultimately it would be nothing of the sort.  So we pass on these superficial "evolutionary" steps in favor of things that acutally matter.  And supersonic flight just isn't one of those things that matters today.

Clarkson misses the boat.  If telecommunications make the Concorde obsolete then the evolutionary step forward is the telecom technology.
 
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Reply #37 - Nov 28th, 2006 at 2:42pm
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Reply #38 - Nov 29th, 2006 at 10:52pm

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Reply #39 - Nov 29th, 2006 at 11:26pm
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Chris, Im assuming that by Apollo 14 you mean Apollo 17 Wink
 
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Reply #40 - Nov 30th, 2006 at 4:03am

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I want Concorde back. Signed it. Wink

If there is the demand (money) there is a market. That was what I was taught. If there is sufficient funds to easily cover the cost of one Concorde, then I don't see why not. It is possible to get her back up and while that possibility remains it can be explored.
 

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Reply #41 - Dec 1st, 2006 at 9:01am

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Never is a strong word to use. I admit that it's highly unlikely that Concorde will ever fly again. And no amount of petition signing is going to make it happen. However, it's not impossible that Concorde will fly again. All it needs is the support from the right people.


As for those here saying that Concorde wasn't a success or didn't make an impact. Well, BA was making a profit on Concorde right up to it's retirement. People were willing to pay the money purely because it was Concorde. What killed it was Airbus stopping production of spare parts.

As for impact. Just about everybody on the planet knows the name of Concorde. And you say it didn't make an impact?
 

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Reply #42 - Dec 1st, 2006 at 10:39am

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As for those here saying that Concorde wasn't a success or didn't make an impact. Well, BA was making a profit on Concorde right up to it's retirement. People were willing to pay the money purely because it was Concorde. What killed it was Airbus stopping production of spare parts.



According to wikipedia, BAC and Air France announced in 2003 they were retiring Concorde because of low passenger numbers and rising maintanence costs.  After that, Richard Branson offered to buy the planes but later changed his mind stating Airbus wouldn't provide airframe parts.

The article also said BAC operated at a loss in the 1980's then raised their price and it's stated they ultimately operated at a profit, even though they later announced they would stop flying Concorde because of low passender numbers.  Seems a contradiction to me.  The article also suggested Air France never operated Concorde at a profit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde#Withdrawal_from_service
 

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Reply #43 - Dec 1st, 2006 at 10:45am

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The truth of the matter is that Concorde was deliberately killed off by politics. It was never allowed to succeed. This is a familiar story.


...and now some idiots are doing the same to the UK's relationship with Saudi Arabia. How many people in the Serious Fraud Office have ever done business in the middle east?
 
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Reply #44 - Dec 1st, 2006 at 1:53pm

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According to wikipedia, BAC and Air France announced in 2003 they were retiring Concorde because of low passenger numbers and rising maintanence costs.  After that, Richard Branson offered to buy the planes but later changed his mind stating Airbus wouldn't provide airframe parts.

The article also said BAC operated at a loss in the 1980's then raised their price and it's stated they ultimately operated at a profit, even though they later announced they would stop flying Concorde because of low passender numbers.  Seems a contradiction to me.  The article also suggested Air France never operated Concorde at a profit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde#Withdrawal_from_service

Woody was correct in his reasons.
Richard Bransons offers were a joke, nothing more. He could have offered a legitimate amount if he was serious.
Airbus stopping supply was down to air france and their ability to pull strings with the airbus management. Air France didn't want to operate the plane, bad income low numbers embarressment for the crash still being around. and told this to airbus, despite BA supplying air france with parts and personelle to keep it flying air france still pulled it from service and airbus said it wouldn't be cost effective to only supply BA. Thus the aircraft was dead.
 
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