Simviation Forum - Yeah, but, still no...........

Nov 2^nd, 2006 at 12:06am

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Much has been said about how much better FSX wiil run with a new, faster computer, etc.

Are we forgetting one important thing?
CPUs in the foreseeable future wii not run much"faster" than they currently do.
Multi core CPUs are the future

Originally, it was announced that FSX wouid have multi core support.
However as it tuns out, FSX has very little muticore support.
In fact tdragger has recently gone on recod as saying that "multicore is overated", etc
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Yes, we can t get a faster DX10 GPU but FSX is stil very CPU dependent.

Now if we remember, when FS9 was in developement, it was anounced that it would have "multi thread" support which never happened
Now, we have no multi core support for FSX as was previously announced.

What is going on? Anyone else detect a pattern here?
Many of the newer "games" now have multi core support while a much touted cutting edge title like FSX does not? Roll Eyes

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Reply #1 - Nov 2^nd, 2006 at 12:45am

Nick N Ex Member

ever heard of a patch

there is going to be allot of patching going on over the next 6 months. I suggest you wait and see how that pans out.

The DX10 update alone will be quite a leap

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Reply #2 - Nov 2^nd, 2006 at 1:02am

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ever heard of a patch

there is going to be allot of patching going on over the next 6 months. I suggest you wait and see how that pans out.

The DX10 update alone will be quite a leap

As I understand this issue, multicore support can not be added via a patch as there would have to be some major rewiting of the code.

The DX10 update will be just that...enabling some DX10 features.

There will have to be other patches however but, one to make FSX run faster?
I will believe it when i see it.

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Reply #3 - Nov 2^nd, 2006 at 1:07am

Nick N Ex Member

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As I understand this issue, multicore support can not be added via a patch as there would have to be some major rewiting of the code.

The DX10 update will be just that...enabling some DX10 features.

There will have to be other patches however but, one to make FSX run faster?
I will believe it when i see it.

you are partially correct in your statement

DX10 will require the entire driver system and all dll modules be completely replaced. FSX will in fact be completely overwritten. In that mutithread can also be incorporated.

It was my understanding that FSX will support dual core in VISTA. If that has been changed I have not heard about it as of yet however I am not involved with the project anymore. If I do hear something I will post back.

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Reply #4 - Nov 2^nd, 2006 at 1:12am

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I sincerely hope you are correct.

However, I still believe there would have to be major code revisions to support multicore.

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Reply #5 - Nov 2^nd, 2006 at 1:25am

Nick N Ex Member

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I sincerely hope you are correct.

I was given a rundown on the software and what it will do in the future however I have no control or say over what actually gets produced.

I will say this though.. FSX was designed and geared for VISTA use and to be updated after VISTA was released and DX10 is fully implemented. Whatever is coming in the way of major updates such as multithread will be for VISTA, not WindowsXP which M$ is expected to drop support for very soon after VISTA is established.

Therefore, if your system is not up to VISTA specs (and VISTA does want to see a dual processor and a gig of memory to run at its peak) installing FSX into VISTA is not going to net you anything better than what you have now, it will run worse.

For VISTA I recommend a dual processor and at least 2 gigs of memory on a modern motherboard with a NV 7000 series video card or a x1900 or better ATI until DX10 is released.

Thats all there is to it and unfortunately the software world will continue to get bigger and the hardware to run it will continue to need upgrading.

It took from 2003 to 05-06 to have hardware on the market that would run FS9 maxed out with no issues.... why anyone would think it would not be the same with FSX is a mystery to me.

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Reply #6 - Nov 2^nd, 2006 at 1:48am

DizZa Ex Member

Dosn't really matter anyways.

Do a single threaded test, Pentium 4 670 versus Intel Core 2 duo E6300. I wonder who will win. Grin

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Reply #7 - Nov 2^nd, 2006 at 1:59am

Nick N Ex Member

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Dosn't really matter anyways.

Do a single threaded test, Pentium 4 670 versus Intel Core 2 duo E6300. I wonder who will win. Grin

LOL

And VISTA is designed to use and optimize multicore processors (quads as well) so even if the software is not multithread the OS will run it faster anyway.

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Reply #8 - Nov 2^nd, 2006 at 2:02am

DizZa Ex Member

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And VISTA is designed to use and optimize multicore processors (quads as well) so even if the software is not multithread the OS will run it faster anyway.

Exactly.
Newer, better tech processors with Vista will always run better than older ones regardless of clock speed and the amount of cores it has.

Take a look at SuperPI 1m tests. My AMD 3500 got just under 20seconds, while the Core 2 duo managed to get 9 seconds, even in a single threaded app.

Even a 7ghz Pentium 4 wouldn't be abled to hit 9seconds.

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