1. would like to say i love FSX great improvemtn from FS9

2. most of the people bitching about FSX are ones who 1)cnt run it or b) bought it then found out they are only getting min settings and 15fps tops.... so tis thier own stupidity

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flymo, I'm surprised at you after all the in-depth discussion that has appeared on this board. Obviously gone right over your head, so don't blame anyone else  ???

And just because folks are using the software - and, yes enjoying it (and I'm one of those) - it doesn't mean that the problems have gone away.

I did a flight out of one of my favourite little airports today (Le Touquet-Paris Plage in northern France) and lo and behold, same mesh problem there too. Rocky terrain blocking the river right next door to the airfield same as the other areas I've highlighted.

So unless I can be convinced otherwise, my conclusion is that mesh errors are pretty widespread and it ain't the job of the freeware community to clean up the mess as a few people have suggested.

Third party designers enhance, not correct. That's the job of the original designers, especially when they made such a big noise (and selling point) of the new, enhanced mesh.

I upgraded my video card from 128mb to 512mb and I can't go back to FS9 either.  FSX for me!

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Joe, there are only two points I'd like to address from what you wrote...

First of all, there were actually three beta teams in place for FSX.  The first consisted of ACES employees who's sole responsibility was to find ways to break FSX, using methodical, scripted test scenarios.  This resulted in fairly instant feedback to the various developers at ACES so they could make whatever 'code fixes' needed for the next day's build.

The second tier of beta testers consisted of > 300 individuals representing a wide cross-section of the entire sim community.  The range included professional developers from every payware company, freeware develolpers of FS addons, long time flightsimmers (many of whom were on previous beta test teams), as well as some relative "newcomers."  This group tested three seperate "beta builds" over the course of five months, and as an aggregate reported just over 50,000 unique bug reports.  As each new beta build was tested, the beta team was expected to re-test whatever bugs they had reported and provide updates to their reports to indicate whether or not they were fixed.  This ends the task of the beta tester.  Their job is to report, test, and report again.  Whatever ACES does with the bug reports is out of the tester's hands.

The third tier of beta testing was new this time around.  This of course was the "public beta" hosted by FilePlanet, and AFAIK, the sole point of this was to test the installer and performance "out of the box" on as wide a variety of hardware combiniations as possible.  There was no formal reporting system in place other than the internal FSX "Dr. Watson" reports that (hopefully) many of this "beta team" sent.

The second issue I take is the comments about Mike Gilbert (aka: taildragger).  Mike announced over six months ago that he'd been promoted to head up another ACES game development project, but that he'd be multi-tasking both "jobs" for several months as he was responsible for (a) hiring his own replacement and (b) training the replacement.

Contrary to what you've suggested, Mike Gilbert was never simply a "mouthpiece" or "shill man" for ACES.  In fact, he personally coded the new User Interface as well as the new Flight Planner, and pitched in with his programming skills in whichever department in ACES needed help.

As a matter of fact, Mike continued to pitch in long after he'd finished training his replacement.  He used his "free time" to continue posting to various fs forums so that those who had their noses buried in the code wouldn't have to.

These attemps to protray Mike the way you (and others) have is simply - wrong...  

BTW, the current crop of FSX 'bugs' are entirely new ones, that were never encountered by the 2nd level beta team.  They crept in between beta3 and the RTM "Gold" version, which was never even seen by any of us on the 2nd level beta team...

ACES is well aware of them and are in the process of discovery, triage, and hopefully a resolution to be rolled into the already planned and announced "DX10 Update."  8)

That’s where you are wrong. M$ does not have to deal with anybody. You speak as though the entire FS world is boiling oil and making picket signs. I don’t see that. What I see are a few hard-nosed complainers who continue to make statements that are based in anger or annoyance they did not get what they wanted or expected... and who persist in portraying FSX as a negative experience with M$ as the Evil Empire.

PR?

Gee probably the best source of information and inside discussion for PR was run up a tree here and hung like some kind of spy or terrorist. Get real.


The software will get fixed, just like all the other MSFS titles of the past and just like any other game that comes out and needs work.

Here is a good one:

If I had not been privileged to have an advanced look at FSX, would I have bought FSX when it was first released? Absolutely NOT

Why?

Because just like any other software or hardware that is new on the market there will be BUGS and to this date I have always waited before purchasing because I know better.

There have been times when I threw caution to the wind and went for something new (sometimes it worked great, sometimes it didnt) but I never complain, I just deal with my decision and wait for the bug fixes OR I return the merchandise because I know damn well anything new is more than likely going to need work.

Ill tell you what, when the first DX10 video card hits the market PLEASE BUY IT, RIGHT AWAY… and come back here and tell me how good it is and how everything runs perfect.


If it does not run perfect,,, I want to see the same complaints posted along with how the company that made it tricked you into buying it and how they are an evil empire that needs better PR

now THATS "A Total Joke"

My viewpoint on FSX is that it's creation was/is a MASSIVE task - I mean MASSIVE. Trying to build a virtual planet & earth as we know it. a 1000 staff would still result in complaints.

It's easy to pick holes (& yes there are actual holes ) but let's take what we've got - & build.

& What we have here has enormous potential.

Please let the mesh problems rest. Yes - there will be many users - especially cauual ones (the majority) who will be pissed off if they live in a bad mesh area - & yes it's easy to say 'unfinished , etc- which it is ... but let's accept what we have & be positive.


Taking FSX as is - the build potential is fantastic. There is so much already there & so much that can be done.

I'm 100% that an official patch will be released.

I really think that whining now will achieve nothing more than a negative atmosphere round here. Life is too short. The message has been sent.

Please let's take what we have.  Know that MS knows the problems now & is prepared to work on them. & think of FSX as something with a long & bright future.