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Reply #30 - Nov 5th, 2006 at 12:03pm

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As I said we have the RYA to thank for that. They spend huge amounts of time talking to the folk who make the rules making sure that the sea is avaliable to everyone. At the moment their biggest battle is stopping the EU from putting road tax on our marine diesel.
 
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Reply #31 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 5:13pm

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Does anybody know whatever happened to the Saunders Roe Princess?
Were they all scrapped?
I ask becasue my grandad can remember seeing them all cocooned up.
 
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Reply #32 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 6:58pm

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Does anybody know whatever happened to the Saunders Roe Princess?
Were they all scrapped?
I ask becasue my grandad can remember seeing them all cocooned up.

I also remember seeing the two cocooned at Calshot from the Isle of Wight ferry when I was a lad. According to this they were all broken up in the 1960s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saro_Princess

PS. I also saw one demonstrated at the Farnborough Air Show in 1952. That seems an awful long time ago now. Shocked
 
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Reply #33 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 8:16pm

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I also remember seeing the two cocooned at Calshot from the Isle of Wight ferry when I was a lad. According to this they were all broken up in the 1960s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saro_Princess

PS. I also saw one demonstrated at the Farnborough Air Show in 1952. That seems an awful long time ago now. Shocked


Tragic. Would've been nice to preserve just one, even if it wasn't going to fly anymore.   Undecided
 
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Reply #34 - Nov 7th, 2006 at 3:42am

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Tragic. Would've been nice to preserve just one, even if it wasn't going to fly anymore.   Undecided

In a perfect world yes. Unfortunately these were very large aircraft & land is at a premium. Unless it had been left in its cocooned state it would have soon deteriorated outside in the elements.

PS. Sadly the BA exibits at the RAF Museum Cosford are the latest victims & some have already been broken up. http://experts.about.com/e/r/ra/raf_museum.htm

This article on the Blackburn Beverley is a familiar story & shows the problems with displaying large aircraft in this country. http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/blackburn/beverley/Beverley.htm Quote:
However, three examples avoided the breakers axe and managed to survive into the 1980s. XB261 was acquired by the Southend Historic Aviation Museum, but when the museum closed down it was sold to the Moat House Hotel at Southend and then scrapped a short while later. XH124 was put on display at the entrance to the RAF Museum Hendon, but was not safe even at this prestige location. In a (hopefully) unique display of neglect and incompetence, the aircraft was allowed to deteriorate to such a state that in 1990 it had to be cut up for scap. The sole survivor was now XB259 of the Museum of Army Transport at Beverley, East Yorkshire. However, in the summer of 2003 this museum was forced to close down, and on the weekend on May 22-23 2004 the last complete Beverley was dismantled and transported to Fort Paull Museum to the east of Kingston-upon-Hull. Here it will be re-assembled and put on display to the public again.
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Reply #35 - Nov 7th, 2006 at 2:18pm

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Do-24 which was designed for the Dutch Navy
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Reply #36 - Nov 7th, 2006 at 2:42pm
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Hi folks:  Smiley

Many of us have discussed this at many different meetings and we all agreed that "Museums" are a part of our heritage and are a wonderful "Educational" tool, not just for the young, but everyone.

It is too bad our political leaders cover their heads in red tape and only remove it when they want a raise!  Tongue

I do remember seeing an aircraft and I think it was a flying boat (just can't remember) and they were testing a hydrofoil type of landing gear on it.
I don't recall the company or country that was doing that or what ever came of the idea.

Cheers....Happy Landings....Doug
 
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Reply #37 - Nov 7th, 2006 at 7:38pm

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I do remember seeing an aircraft and I think it was a flying boat (just can't remember) and they were testing a hydrofoil type of landing gear on it.
I don't recall the company or country that was doing that or what ever came of the idea.

The only one I can think of is the Convair Sea Dart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F2Y_Sea_Dart
 
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Reply #38 - Nov 7th, 2006 at 8:35pm
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Hi Doug:  Smiley

Nope I remember that one.  Smiley

I wonder did someone try fitting a C130 "Herc" like an aircushion vehicle for landing on water, mud, snow, grass and hard surfaces?

The next time I am down at Canadian Forces Base Trenton I will ask at SPAR as I believe that is where I saw a picture or heard a story about it.
That is why I was thinking about a Flying Boat as that is what it looked like.
Those fellas at SPAR are all retired Royal Canadian Air Force, Canadian Forces and a mixed bag of everything else.
They work for the Canadian Military and have locations everywhere.  They have three in this immediate area and two are at Military Bases.
I am sure their techniques are also employed by the RCAF Memorial Museum on occassions and they have helped me out many times with odd little jobs.

I shall look into this when I get down there as that is the only place I can think of.  Wink

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
 
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Reply #39 - Nov 8th, 2006 at 3:47pm

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Hi Doug:  Smiley

Nope I remember that one.  Smiley

I wonder did someone try fitting a C130 "Herc" like an aircushion vehicle for landing on water, mud, snow, grass and hard surfaces?

No idea, but the VTOL one blew itself up
 
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Reply #40 - Nov 8th, 2006 at 3:58pm

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I wonder did someone try fitting a C130 "Herc" like an aircushion vehicle for landing on water, mud, snow, grass and hard surfaces?

Is this what you're thinking of? 8) http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRHeft7X/FRHeft75/FRH7501/FR7501c.htm
 
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Reply #41 - Nov 8th, 2006 at 7:02pm
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Reading Dougs threads on the Japanese stuff in the merlin thread and remembering this one remembered me about their giant aircraft carrier subs... Further research found me the below threads..

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/1111096194

The Japanese I-400 class on wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400_class_submarine

Some other nations tried that as well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_aircraft_carrier

Hope you find it interesting
 
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Reply #42 - Nov 8th, 2006 at 9:59pm
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Wow some very interesting reading/sites there folks...thank you very much.  Wink

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
 
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Reply #43 - Nov 12th, 2006 at 7:56am
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Just read "Rifleman's" thread "Oh No"  (Real Aviation) about the two Martin Mars flying boats in British Columbia Canada going up for sale.

Does anyone know if they were bigger than the Saunders Roe Princess Flying Boats?

I think both types of  aircraft were built/designed around the same time were they not?

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
 
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Reply #44 - Nov 12th, 2006 at 8:08am

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Sad news indeed on the Martin Mars. The Saro Princess was considerably larger although it never went into production. Only one of the three prototypes ever flew.

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Specifications (JRM-3 Mars)

Data from Jane’s Fighting Aircraft of World War II

General characteristics
Crew: four (with accommodations for a second relief crew)
Capacity: 133 troops, or 84 litter patients and 25 attendants
Payload: 32,000 lb (15,000 kg) of cargo, including up to seven jeeps
Length: 117 ft 3 in (35.74 m)
Wingspan: 200 ft 0 in (60.96 m)
Height: 38 ft 5 in (11.71 m)
Wing area: 3,686 ft² (342.4 m²)
Empty weight: 75,573 lb (34,279 kg)
Loaded weight: 90,000 lb (40,820 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 165,000 lb (74,800 kg)
Powerplant: 4× Wright R-3350-24WA Duplex Cyclone 18-cylinder radial engines, 2,500 hp (1,865 kW) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 221 mph (356 km/h)
Range: 4,300 nautical miles (5,000 miles or 8,000 km)
Service ceiling: 14,600 ft (4,450 m)
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Specifications Saunders-Roe Princess

General characteristics
Crew:
Capacity:
Length: 42.1 m (148 ft)
Wingspan: 66.9 m (219 ft 6 in)
Height: 17 m (55 ft 9 in)
Wing area: m² ( ft²)
Empty: kg ( lb)
Loaded: kg ( lb)
Maximum takeoff: 156,500 kg (345025 lb)
Powerplant: 10 × Bristol Proteus turboprop, 2386 kW (3200 hp)

Performance
Maximum speed: 579 km/h ( 360 mi/h)


 
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