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Reply #15 -
Oct 29
th
, 2006 at 10:57am
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I found a couple of Fairey flying boats but lost the link now.
Wish I could be more specific. The history of the early days of Fairey Aviation seems a little obscure.
I don't think the flying boats need to be tri-motors. That must deserve a bonus.
My special book has a few Fairey floatplanes in it. Still can't find any Fairey flying boats though. It's not easy trying to find out about the companies early history but so far all early Fairey types have been relatively small aircraft (no more than three crew). Where as most flying boats were quite a lot larger.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Reply #16 -
Oct 29
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, 2006 at 11:09am
Flying Trucker
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Gentlemen...Thank you one and all.
I shall be a bit busy now looking up the sites that you posted.
I know for a fact some of these aircraft I have never heard of.
The weather here is rain mixed with a wet snow.
The barn and hangar are buttoned down and everything here is ship shape Bristol fashion.
The clocks went back a hour last night and the old girl is on her way to church.
I did not go to church as I know the good Lord would want me to check out these sites you all posted right away.
Thanks everyone.
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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Reply #17 -
Oct 29
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, 2006 at 11:11am
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Still can't find any Fairey flying boats though.
Here's a couple. The Atlanta & Titania. They look a fair size.
http://www.flyingboats.ca/FlyingBoats-old/British/British.html
I found that article I was looking for.
http://www.wfel.co.uk/corp_dloads/AHistoryofFaireyEngineerin.doc
PS. Here's a pretty comprehensive list of seaplanes and flying boats. Should keep you busy for a while Doug.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flying_boats_and_seaplanes
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Reply #18 -
Oct 29
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, 2006 at 1:11pm
Flying Trucker
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Thanks Doug...shall get on it shortly.
I was watching a yacht about 40 foot trying to make it around the bend in the river here.
With the winds gusting to close to 50 mph at times and the water current he seemed to be having a bad time of it.
We have rain mixed with wet snow and there are white caps on the river, I would say the waves are close to two or three feet high.
I would have thought a yacht that size would have at least two engines and lots of power.
I could see the spray coming over his bow as he was trying to make the turn, he finally made it.
Thanks for the sites.
Cheers...Happy landings...Doug
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Reply #19 -
Oct 29
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, 2006 at 1:47pm
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Thanks Doug...shall get on it shortly.
I was watching a yacht about 40 foot trying to make it around the bend in the river here.
With the winds gusting to close to 50 mph at times and the water current he seemed to be having a bad time of it.
We have rain mixed with wet snow and there are white caps on the river, I would say the waves are close to two or three feet high.
I would have thought a yacht that size would have at least two engines and lots of power.
I could see the spray coming over his bow as he was trying to make the turn, he finally made it.
Thanks for the sites.
Cheers...Happy landings...Doug
Presumably it was a sailing yacht. If so it would only have had one engine of not more than 40hp. There isn't really the space for multiple big engines in a sailing yacht, plus the engines are essentially secondary propulsion to the sails.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Reply #20 -
Oct 30
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, 2006 at 7:37pm
Flying Trucker
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Hi Woodlouse 2002...
Nope it was not a sail boat but an approximately 40 Foot
motorized yacht.
I think he was inexperienced on the river or he misread the wind and current. Travelling by boat on the river is not the same as travelling on a bay or lake.
Many a good seaplane pilot has learned that as well!
While we are on this subject though I would like to add that many here on unaware about the effects of the current and wind on flying boats or seaplanes.
A seaplane (an aircraft on floats/amphibious floats) can be sailed with both doors open/closed, one door open, flaps up or down, water rudders down, engine on/off, the use of ailerons, the use of passengers/crew on a float and many more techniques.
A flying boat like an aircraft on floats/amphibious floats also requires skilled techniques which are not quickly learned over night.
A Flying Boat Captain like his landbased counterpart or seafaring counterpart is a highly experience person in both realms.
There are a lot of books out there now on Float and Flying Boat Flying. They contain a lot a valuable informatin and techniques, too many to mention here.
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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Reply #21 -
Oct 30
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, 2006 at 8:36pm
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If it was a motor boat then it would have had twin screws, and at least 200hp. And if it was fairly new then it would have had a bow thrust too. And if the skipper still made a hash of tackling a bend in a river then he shouldn't be allowed afloat.
Presumably seaplanes and flying boats would be more affected by wind that currents due to their shallow draught. Naturally when on the water the aeroplane is going to go where the water goes but in a wind against current situation I should imagine that the wind has the most obvious effect.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Reply #22 -
Oct 31
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, 2006 at 10:50am
Souichiro
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Hi Doug! Interesting read!
The Russian Water plane you mentioned might be the Ekranoplane or look here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6HQSNERadQ
technically it aint a plane but on might classify it as such.
About the Japanese amphibs I couldn't think of much more that the Kawanishi " Mavis"
http://www.vectorsite.net/avemily.html
Hope it helps a bit
Ow yeah an italian company which did much with seaplanes is Savoia Marchetti
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Reply #23 -
Nov 1
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, 2006 at 7:43pm
Flying Trucker
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Hi Souichiro:
Yes I agree I am sure that Japan had many more Sea Planes and Flying Boats than what I mentioned. However my conversation with this gentleman did not mention them.
Thank you for the two sites they shall be productive I assure you.
Thanks again for your input as well.
Hi Woodlouse:
Thanks for your input on my comment off subject.
Being a boat owner/operator without a Marine Captains Licence in Canada I believe anything over 55 (Fifty Five) Feet in length requires a Marine Captains Licence/Medicals/etc.
There are many boats here 40 (Forty Feet and more) without bow thrusters or thrusters of any kind.
Maneuvering aircraft or boats on rivers is not quite the simple task it looks. Too many factors have to be taken into consideration and to get into that would put us way off topic.
Thanks for your input though.
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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Reply #24 -
Nov 1
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, 2006 at 7:54pm
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Hi Woodlouse:
Thanks for your input on my comment off subject.
Being a boat owner/operator without a Marine Captains Licence in Canada I believe anything over 55 (Fifty Five) Feet in length requires a Marine Captains Licence/Medicals/etc.
There are many boats here 40 (Forty Feet and more) without bow thrusters or thrusters of any kind.
Maneuvering aircraft or boats on rivers is not quite the simple task it looks. Too many factors have to be taken into consideration and to get into that would put us way off topic.
Thanks for your input though.
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
Here in England I don't know how big a boat you can get before you need any sort of qualifications to drive it but you do have rather a large boat before you do.
Pretty much all of my experience afloat has been coastal sailing so I don't know the finer points of tackling rivers and can't really comment further intill I know what sort of river you're refering to (as in a wide estuary or narrows).
I wouldn't worry about taking the topic off course either. I could talk boats all night if I had to.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Reply #25 -
Nov 2
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, 2006 at 7:46pm
Flying Trucker
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Hi Woodlouse:
Here you need a licence for just about everything now, motor bikes, dirt bikes, trikes, quad runners, just about all boats (I am not sure about canoes or rubber rafts) or they might have to be licenced by size as well.
Right now hull insurance on seaplanes and floatplanes is very expensive. If you are going to have either a seaplane or floatplane to justify the insurance in my humble opinion one must fly at least ten to fifteen hours a month on type.
The old girl and I are doubling that on our Cessna 172 and that is each of us.
Therefore we can justify the cost of the aircraft and I know we could justify the purchase of a seaplane or floatplane if I could find one at the right price and suitable for the two of us.
I have only got too several of the sites the folks have posted here but they sure are interesting.
The design of some of these aircraft and the interiors are wonderful.
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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Reply #26 -
Nov 2
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, 2006 at 8:24pm
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Here in England for an average sized boat (under 60 feet certainly) you need no qualifications to command it privately. And long may it last. The RYA is constantly bickering with the government to keep it that way and so far they've succeeded. To get an RYA certificate of competence you just have to join the RYA and pay a £30 subscription.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Reply #27 -
Nov 4
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, 2006 at 11:28am
Flying Trucker
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Hi Woodlouse:
For a seafaring nation which is licenced and taxed for just about everything I am surprised to hear you can rent or operate a 10 foot rowboat without a licence.
I agree some modes of transportation need to be licenced and there should be a way to insure an operator is current on type but sometimes governments just get plain silly on their licencing and instead of looking at the situation from a safety issue all they see is a cheap tax grab.
Give the government time and they will try to find a way to make a Flying Boat Pilot have a licence to operate a boat as well.
LOL
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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Reply #28 -
Nov 4
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, 2006 at 12:01pm
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Hi Woodlouse:
For a seafaring nation which is licenced and taxed for just about everything I am surprised to hear you can rent or operate a 10 foot rowboat without a licence.
The only time it changes is if you're making money out of it. Then you need a few minor qualifications, or major qualifications depending on how serious your sailing is. Other than that you are free to own and use any normal sized yacht or motorboat you can get your hands on.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Reply #29 -
Nov 5
th
, 2006 at 11:12am
Flying Trucker
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Hi Woodlouse:
I can see where a commercial operator would require a Marine Licence however I find it odd there is no licencing for private operators like there is here.
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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