Simviation Forum - Video: ILS approach @ minimums

Oct 28^th, 2006 at 1:13pm

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When I say "minimums", believe me... it's "minimums"(Cat III)... very surprised to see the approach lights so soon first time I watched this!
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No panel view, but very interesting regardless. Well-done approach, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3wnl1Ut--o

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Reply #1 - Oct 28^th, 2006 at 5:45pm

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EGAD !

I had to look away and grab my chair arms in the middle of that.. to make sure I wasn't upside down Shocked

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Reply #2 - Oct 28^th, 2006 at 5:58pm

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Those lights came out of nowhere! Gotta have some guts and confidence in you to do that! Shocked

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Reply #3 - Oct 28^th, 2006 at 6:44pm

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Those lights came out of nowhere! Gotta have some guts and confidence in you to do that! Shocked

I was expecting some time in clear air before reaching the approach lights... never seen a Cat III approach before; it's a little unnerving.

But it's all about having your ducks in a row: know the correct procedure for that airport, and just fly it. Keep the needles centered, maintain the correct airspeed, and the airport will be happy to remain where it should be, just for you. Grin

Of course, I make it sound easy...

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Reply #4 - Oct 28^th, 2006 at 6:59pm

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I'll stick with VFR.

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Reply #5 - Oct 28^th, 2006 at 9:59pm

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I've flown approaches like that a bunch of times in Flight Simulator. Usually they don't end well...

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Reply #6 - Oct 28^th, 2006 at 11:20pm

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I've flown approaches like that a bunch of times in Flight Simulator. Usually they don't end well...

Pucker factor of at least 10 Shocked

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Reply #7 - Oct 29^th, 2006 at 1:50am

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That explains why CATIII are always autolands Shocked

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Reply #8 - Oct 29^th, 2006 at 7:07am

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CAt III are not always autolands.
In this case with the video it was handflown (captain using the HUD) with manual power lever inputs. Dont know which aircraft it was but it sounded like a SAAB 340/2000 or similar.. I believe American Airlines use the same on some of their 737NGs. The autoflight system on their 737's arent capable of autoland (lacks the FLARE and ROLLOUT modes), but since the HUD is driven by an independent flight guidance computer they use that one instead.

Very well done approach

But you have to remember that as soon as they have the centerline of the approach lights in sight, they are safe, they dont need to have visual contact with the runway in order to continue the approach for CAT 3 (thats at least how I've been taught)

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Reply #9 - Oct 29^th, 2006 at 8:49am

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Pucker factor of at least 10 Shocked

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Yeah, if the worst of the range of potential consequences was more severe than a red "CRASH" banner, I'd bet I'd be puckering pretty darned good!

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Reply #10 - Oct 29^th, 2006 at 9:02am

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Those lights came out of nowhere! Gotta have some guts and confidence in you to do that! Shocked

I was about to said this too Shocked

not some A lot of guts Shocked

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Reply #11 - Oct 29^th, 2006 at 12:17pm

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Excellent approach and an excellent video.

I used to love doing those type of approaches along with the old "GCA" approach.

The Ground Control Approach is where the controller talks you down to decision height and hopefully you will call "Runway Visual".

A good controllers voice never changes, it is one steady monotone and the approach can be done several ways:
-he can say...on glidepath...turn left one degree...on course...on glidepath...etc...etc
or
-he might say...on glidepath...roll left...now...roll out...now....on course...on glidepath....etc...etc

In most of the worlds military's all types of instrument approaches are practiced and not just one aircraft, but formations of two and three aircraft as well.

Good Instrument Flying, navigation, formation flying and aerobatics all share several common factors, practice, practice, practice, repetition, repetition, repetition and more of the same again and again.

Experience can only come with time and training.

The video you are commenting on has nothing to do with "pucker factor", "nerves of steel" or "guts" but is more in line with a "qualified experienced aviator, current on type flying an instrument approach".

Wonderful video Sean and I saw several more there dealing with Float Flying.
Thanks for the site. Wink

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug

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Reply #12 - Oct 30^th, 2006 at 8:30am

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That explains why CATIII are always autolands Shocked

Yes, for some reason that hadn't occurred to me... nice job, Otto(the autopilot)!! Grin

A GCA approach in that weather... now, that's old-school... those controllers must have gotten a lot of free drinks... Grin

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Reply #13 - Oct 30^th, 2006 at 10:23am

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The video you are commenting on has nothing to do with "pucker factor", "nerves of steel" or "guts" but is more in line with a "qualified experienced aviator, current on type flying an instrument approach".

Agreed.

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Reply #14 - Oct 30^th, 2006 at 10:33am

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I dunno...

If that doesn't pucker you a bit and test your nerves.. no matter how qualified or current.. you're getting a little too complacent..

Now, that you don't let that pucker and nerve-test flap you.. is a different story.

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