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Oct 21st, 2006 at 12:19pm

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In a fuel crisis what better time to assemble the trully great ones of the past? Like the Oldsmobile Rallye 350,...& others. Grin


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Reply #1 - Oct 21st, 2006 at 1:42pm

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nice Smiley

my 65 comet with a 289 V8 2bbl isn't really bad on gas...but it's worse than mmost newer cars Smiley
 
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Reply #2 - Oct 21st, 2006 at 3:08pm

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Those pics aren't hotlinked are they? Hotlinking is bad, very bad.

Why do some current autos get no better mileage than some 30 year old cars?
 

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Reply #3 - Oct 22nd, 2006 at 2:04pm

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Gas guzzlers? Take any American SUV and you have your answer Wink
 
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Reply #4 - Oct 22nd, 2006 at 6:16pm

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In a fuel crisis what better time to assemble the trully great ones of the past? Like the Oldsmobile Rallye 350,...& others. Grin



Had a 1969 Pontiac 350HO Firebird for a few years & it got much worse gas mileage then my Ford Explorer V-8 4X4 & only slightly better mileage the My 1966 GTO Tri-Power 398 Ram Air

 
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Reply #5 - Dec 26th, 2006 at 11:45am

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Ski-doos, outboard motors and Sea-doos are very hard on gas. Also, the new F-150 is a gasohaulic, same with the Hummer H2.

See what makes a gas guzzler is a big enginethats more than 4 or 5 cylinders. Anything 6-cyl and above is a gas chugger. I depends on the size and weight of the vehicles.
 
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Reply #6 - Dec 26th, 2006 at 5:01pm

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Boeing227 wrote on Dec 26th, 2006 at 11:45am:
Anything 6-cyl and above is a gas chugger. I depends on the size and weight of the vehicles.
Thats not really true, it is more to do with the weight of the vehicle (how much "work" is needed to move the weight and get it up to speed), speed being traveled (and how much "work" is required to overcome the aerodynamic drag), and general efficiency of the engine and drive terrain of transmitting that work to the ground. Number of cylinders doesn't really matter.
 

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Reply #7 - Dec 27th, 2006 at 2:03am
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Its not always the size of the vehical, but how & where its drove.  Just about any vehical can get good mileage depending on the situation.  I currently drive an 89 Ford Bronco II 4x4 2.9 V6.  Its averaging around 14 miles to the gallon.  But, living in a small town with to many stop signs I use a lot more fuel since all I do is stop and go every few feet.  Now on a highway its a different story.  I take a trip to my brother-in-law's house over in Dayton, Ohio a couple times a year.  The route I take is one mostly spent on one highway with only 1 small town you have to stop in.  Also smooth fairly strait road.  On those trips I average somewhere between 25-28 miles to the gallon.  It all comes down to how you drive.  In town I cant get up to speed before stopping again, but on a long highway I get up to speed and then barely have my foot on the pedal.  My old F-150 was the same way...about 12-14 mpg in town but 20-25 mpg on the highway.

But there are some...like the Hummers that are just expensive gas hogs and people who can afford to drive them are generaly your wealthier citizens who dont care when gas is 3 bucks a gallon Smiley

Anymore they advertise all these new cars that get 30 mpg...but then they highway.  So in town your probably not going to get near that Undecided
 
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Reply #8 - Dec 27th, 2006 at 5:33pm

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Its not always the size of the vehical, but how & where its drove.  Just about any vehical can get good mileage depending on the situation.  

True, my explination assumed ceteris paribus (assuming that you drive every car the same).
 

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Reply #9 - Dec 29th, 2006 at 2:53pm

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But there are some...like the Hummers that are just expensive gas hogs and people who can afford to drive them are generaly your wealthier citizens who dont care when gas is 3 bucks a gallon Smiley



I dream of paying 3 bucks a gallon  Cry

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Reply #10 - Dec 29th, 2006 at 8:12pm

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There is a slight difference between American gas price and European gas price. In Europe, the price is so high because the government taxes the hell out of it, which they can get away with because the vast majority of the area has a public transportation system that actually works, in addition to the fact that people (adults) actually own bikes and use them for more than recreation.

The gas price difference is almost entirely due to a cultural difference, America invented the car and it is inseparable from American society, if the American government tried to tax gas as much as the Europeans did, there would be riots, and if they failed to remove the taxes, quite possibly far more severe consequences. Europeans, on the other hand, having built their cities long before it was invented, found that it was too impractical to change street layouts that have been in place for hundreds of years so as to accommodate the larger cars, instead of horse carriages. Instead, they opted to build a very effective public transportation network, encouraging people to use it, and because of the more compact nature of Europe, bicycles are also a viable alternative to cars.
 
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Reply #11 - Dec 29th, 2006 at 8:20pm

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elite marksman wrote on Dec 29th, 2006 at 8:12pm:
There is a slight difference between American gas price and European gas price. In Europe, the price is so high because the government taxes the hell out of it, which they can get away with because the vast majority of the area has a public transportation system that actually works, in addition to the fact that people (adults) actually own bikes and use them for more than recreation.

Where did you read that? It might be true for some parts of Europe but certainly not the UK which has the highest fuel taxes in Europe. LOL Cheesy

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The gas price difference is almost entirely due to a cultural difference, America invented the car and it is inseparable from American society, if the American government tried to tax gas as much as the Europeans did, there would be riots, and if they failed to remove the taxes, quite possibly far more severe consequences. Europeans, on the other hand, having built their cities long before it was invented, found that it was too impractical to change street layouts that have been in place for hundreds of years so as to accommodate the larger cars, instead of horse carriages.

Karl Benz invented the first true motor car in Germany. http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/auto.html

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because of the more compact nature of Europe, bicycles are also a viable alternative to cars.

Maybe true in Holland - or China.
 

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Reply #12 - Dec 29th, 2006 at 8:23pm

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elite marksman wrote on Dec 29th, 2006 at 8:12pm:
America invented the car

I'm afraid there are some people who may disagree with you on that point.


Also, the average horse and carriage was far larger, and bulkier than your average car so street layouts had nothing to do with the development of the car as Europe sees it. Simply the Americans have always had a "bigger is better" policy on most things and that is why you find cars the with the size and efficiency of a tank acceptable.

Also on the point about the large tax on fuel in Europe. I'm betting there are some politicians in America who wish they'd caught on to that trick when Europe did. Because what a fancy little earner it is for the government.
 

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Reply #13 - Dec 29th, 2006 at 8:29pm

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But there are some...like the Hummers that are just expensive gas hogs and people who can afford to drive them are generaly your wealthier citizens who dont care when gas is 3 bucks a gallon Smiley


They test drove a Hummer H2 on Top Gear a couple of years ago. Clarkson was quite excited that the onboard computer was telling him that he was doing 1 mile per gallon. It did 2 mpg going off road.
 

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Reply #14 - Dec 29th, 2006 at 10:46pm

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Hagar wrote on Dec 29th, 2006 at 8:20pm:
Karl Benz invented the first true motor car in Germany. http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/auto.html

Maybe true in Holland - or China.


To clarify, I meant that the first commercially successful car was invented here.

As for the second point: I spent two weeks in Germany over the past summer, I was able to get to anywhere I wanted with a combination of bicycle and public transportation. All I had to do was ride about 3 km to the train station, get on a train, and could be anywhere in Bremen within an hour, Bremerhaven within about 2 hours, the same was true of Berlin. Granted, it would be much more inconvenient to ride a bike in southern Germany, Switzerland, northern Italy, southeastern France, or Austria, but those areas are far less populated than the rest of Europe.
 
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Reply #15 - Dec 30th, 2006 at 2:52am
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As usual you cant compare the US prices to the world.  $3 here is rediculously high.  Right now its $2.21 and thats to high.  I remember when it was 95 cents Roll Eyes  When I started driving it was running $1.25 range.

Its more a matter of country style.  When I was in Taiwan we mostly got around by either scooter or MRT lines.  I think in the 3 weeks I only rode in a car 3 times (excluding the trip around the island)...2 of those were from and to the airport Tongue  Here in little North Manchester its a whole other story.  Little town of a whopping 3.5 square miles and a lot of that is roads or open space.  Theres only nesesities to be found here and they are usualy much higher priced.  Nearest Walmarts ect are roughly 20 miles away.  Work for me is 18 miles one way.  Unlike a big city or most other countries...the only way to really get anywhere is to drive.  And with working on farms I have to haul different things just about every day so need a truck.  Most of the US is tied to the vehical due to it being the only transportation for where you need to go.  Big vehicals are becoming more common then ever...but most people are just for style and not for practical use.  I can see a big SUV for the big family...but not for a single person who has no need for it.

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As usual you cant compare the US prices to the world.  $3 here is rediculously high.  Right now its $2.21 and thats to high.  I remember when it was 95 cents Roll Eyes  When I started driving it was running $1.25 range.



Americas thurst for fuel has a very direct effect on the prices here in Europe. Each time there is a small hickup in the American production or refining capability, our prices shoot up because it is a suppliers market. America wants or needs more, Europe has to pay higher prices to secure a supply because the priority always seems to be the American market.

Also, public transport in europe is not all that eveyone makes out. If you are tourist, it is great, if you have to use it on a daily basis to get to work, it is overcrowded, often dirty and expensive.

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Reply #17 - Dec 30th, 2006 at 9:42am

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expat wrote on Dec 30th, 2006 at 8:58am:
Also, public transport in europe is not all that eveyone makes out. If you are tourist, it is great, if you have to use it on a daily basis to get to work, it is overcrowded, often dirty and expensive.

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Here in Cornwall the nearest bus stop is over a mile away. Then the bus, at best, only comes once an hour. And it'll probably be late and it will probably get lost, break down or catch fire before you get to your destination.
 

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When in Bremen I used the train at least twice per day, once in the morning to go to school with my host, and once in the evening to come home, but usually four or more times, as we would go back into the city in the evening. Not once was the train more than 5 minutes late, and while not overly comfortable, the regular class cars were tolerable for the short ride into the city. Once there, we would take a either a streetcar or a bus to his school, the Hermann-Boese Gymnasium, again never more than a few minutes late, usually with ample seating. Note that the train to Bremen was the 6:30 train, so it wasn't terribly crowded, but we did miss it once, due to a mechanical problem with the bike that I was borrowing, and we took the 7:15 train, which was much more crowded, but still had seats for everyone.

As for the price, I was able to get a 7 day pass for about 25 Euro, granted it did include a student discount, and I am unsure of how much a regular 7 day pass would cost.
 
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Reply #19 - Dec 30th, 2006 at 12:25pm

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It's all very well but you've only experienced public transport in a single fairly major european city. Go into the country side to the smaller towns and villages and you will wonder why they even try and bother. I'm sure in Washington DC, New York and San Fransisco the public transport is also second to none.
 

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Reply #20 - Dec 30th, 2006 at 12:28pm

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elite marksman wrote on Dec 30th, 2006 at 12:10pm:
When in Bremen I used the train at least twice per day, once in the morning to go to school with my host, and once in the evening to come home, but usually four or more times, as we would go back into the city in the evening. Not once was the train more than 5 minutes late, and while not overly comfortable, the regular class cars were tolerable for the short ride into the city. Once there, we would take a either a streetcar or a bus to his school, the Hermann-Boese Gymnasium, again never more than a few minutes late, usually with ample seating. Note that the train to Bremen was the 6:30 train, so it wasn't terribly crowded, but we did miss it once, due to a mechanical problem with the bike that I was borrowing, and we took the 7:15 train, which was much more crowded, but still had seats for everyone.

As for the price, I was able to get a 7 day pass for about 25 Euro, granted it did include a student discount, and I am unsure of how much a regular 7 day pass would cost.



Well in my German town, there is no street cars, just  buses that run at very unhelpful times. The possibility of going to work by public transport is none existent unless I want to pitch my tent for an overnight at the bus depot.  Quoting from your short stay in one city in Germany does not reflect the state of public transport in Europe anymore than me saying the New York Metro is a direct reflection of public transport in the US.

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