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Reply #30 - Oct 15^th, 2006 at 7:16am

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..at a quick guess now...

When I first started it up with a few things turned down, the frame rates were between 1 and 2 FPS..impossible to move...!!
....Then, with most everything was turned down to zero, (no clouds, no water, no traffic, etc), except the scenery and autogen, (to get a nice scene), which was set half way, the frame rates juddered around 5-7 FPS in open countryside.
...I still can't make it out, compared with the smooth FS 2004 scenery and autogen, and EVERYTHING set at maximum settings, and all the blocks ticked....30 FPS locked at 30 FPS.... Cry

Cry

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Looking at my set-up listed below, It's not going to run FSX at all, and a major hardware up-grade would be necessary...Motherboard, processor, graphics card, memory, etc, etc...everything...
...trust me... Cry

Cry

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I keep looking at my lovely screen shots of all my FS 2004 smoothy-smoothy scenes, and compare them with what I see in FSX and I am extremely disappointed.... Cry

Cry

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It's going to be a major, very expensive, hardware up-grade to run FSX and show it at its best....!!

Paul... 8)...!

P.S. My BFG nVidia 6600GT O/C 525 MHz, 128Mb, card is fine for FS 2004, but definitely not for FSX...!!

Thanks for that Foz, So you recommend your card for FS9 sliders up inc autogen? excellent, thats what I will go for then! At the moment I have AGP nvidia FX5200 128MB. Am I right in believing that if I add a PCI graphics card and leave the AGP in, the 2 cards will work together? or can I only have 1 card? its FS9 all the way for me Bill can stick FSX!

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Reply #31 - Oct 15^th, 2006 at 7:56am

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only 1 card will work, id reccommend something faster than a 6600gt although it depends on the rest of your system DONT get standard pci cards they are really slow, pci express are faster than agp but if you got an agp slot on your motherboard itwont have pci express Wink

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Reply #32 - Oct 15^th, 2006 at 8:39am

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only 1 card will work, id reccommend something faster than a 6600gt although it depends on the rest of your system DONT get standard pci cards they are really slow, pci express are faster than agp but if you got an agp slot on your motherboard itwont have pci express Wink

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For all those enthusiasts who want to stick to their trusty AGP motherboard, there are some excellent versions of the latest, fast, alternatives to cards for PCIe slots...>>>

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Nvidia_AGP_Graphics_Cards.html

Paul...(Stuck with AGP for a while)... Wink

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Reply #33 - Oct 15^th, 2006 at 8:50am

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I have a P4 2.8ghz at the moment with 512MB RAM that i will be upgrading to 1GB shortly. I have been looking at 256MB AGP card that seem to float around the £100 mark at the moment in particular the ATI Radeon cards, can someone recommend these? If so what model?? basically I want to run FS9 all sliders max inc autogen at 30FPS.

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Reply #34 - Oct 15^th, 2006 at 8:57am

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....basically I want to run FS9 all sliders max inc autogen at 30FPS.

.....mmm.....don't we all...I said, don't we all.......commoner Grin

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Reply #35 - Oct 15^th, 2006 at 9:02am

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If so what model?? basically I want to run FS9 all sliders max inc autogen at 30FPS.

FYI....... look at my sig specs below this post....... I can't get a consistent 20 fps on short final into a big city airport with everything maxed and full AI. But up and away from stuff (bush flying in the mountains or at 30,000..... I'll get 40-60.

I found the front side buss and the processor was just as important as the graphics card.

best,

......................john

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Reply #36 - Oct 15^th, 2006 at 12:39pm

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This all reminds me of CFS3. When I got my copy the machine I had was much, much better than the recommended specs, but would it run? I had to spend around £600 to get it to work. OK, I didn’t spend £600 just to get CFS3 to work; I was due for an upgrade. With FSX out of the box without touching anything I was getting 1-5 FPS. With scenery on low, aircraft on medium high and low traffic I got as much as 30 FPS. By just moving the scenery up from low to medium low I was back down to 10-11 FPS! Meanwhile FS9 runs along on max at a steady 25+. I don’t get it.

Flying Legends

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Reply #37 - Oct 15^th, 2006 at 12:55pm

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...just done another re-run with FSX....
Medium to high scenery, buildings, trees (Autogen)...Necessary!
No traffic of any sort.
No special water effects.
Custom Weather; Few simple cirrus clouds, visibility set to 5-10 miles.

Frame rates vary between 6 -11 - 15 FPS around 'Frisco Bay. (locked at 15).

But....But...But....

Although I have a FULL install, most of my jittery problems seem to be related to insufficient MEMORY... Shocked

Shocked

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I have 3 sticks of 256 Mb of DDR Memory = 768 Mb in total.

A peek at the Hard Drive light see it constantly spooling out data at slow speed, causing the jitters, when it should be spooling smoothly out of high speed DDR MEMORY...lots of it... Shocked

Shocked

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Even sat on the ground with the motor ticking over I see the Hard Drive light constantly flickering away...!!

In my FS 2004, all the running data is contained in my memory, and the Hard Drive only lights up when first starting the program, after that it runs smoothly from memory.... Kiss

Kiss

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So....

I reckon, for FSX to run S M O O T H L Y I need LOADS more Memory installed on my Motherboard... Cry

Cry

...!

More flippin' money... Cry

Cry

...!

Paul...Is there no end to my frustration?... Wink

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.....LOL... Grin

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Reply #38 - Oct 15^th, 2006 at 1:46pm

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i've got 1gb ram...and it needs more, probably around 2 gb fozzer Wink

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also setting autogen to sparse is more dense than fs9 on maximum setting Wink

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Reply #39 - Oct 15^th, 2006 at 2:35pm

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Strange thing is that all those FSX problems with FPS you mention are now happening to me on FS9 Cry

Cry

It keeps jumping from 5 to 20 fps very fast cousing stutters and jittering all around while it used to be a steady 25 to 30 with all sliders on max. I did a complete reinstall from my C partition to the reletively unused D partition and i get the same crap Undecided

Undecided

Cry

Sad

I have deinstalled it again and i seriuesly considering dumping it forever for FSX becouse i get bad performance anyway Wink

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Other games run great by the way, like Battlefield 2 and Lock On and they are not the lightest games for your pc Tongue

Tongue

I have had it for a while now, 2 years of making FS great is all gone Cry

Cry

Cry

Sad

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Reply #40 - Oct 15^th, 2006 at 2:43pm

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Did you try the tweak that Felix posted? http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=FSX;action=display;num=116...

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Reply #41 - Oct 16^th, 2006 at 3:17am

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I was playing around with the demo again yesterday evening - originally I found on my rig that it was the external/spot views mainly that crucified my rig, getting something like 2/3 FPS. My cockpit views were bearable. Also my aircraft textures were lousy.

I turned off self shadowing last night and my FR shot up to 15 (target 15). Also my aircraft textures were much improved.

I then pushed all the sliders up to well over the mid points and still had FR in spot view in double digits or just under with water only one notch from max.

I have to say, I was surprised and I don't know why I didn't do this before Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

BTW I have an AMD 64 3000+ with my unmasked AGP 6800LE but I'm only running with 1 GB RAM (had to use the other 1 GB for something else...) so it could be even better with the other gig back in.

Has any else been as stoopid as me and not tried turning self shadowing off? If so, you might be quite surprised if you do Wink

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Reply #42 - Oct 16^th, 2006 at 3:53am

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Well FSX Loves 2 gigs of ram..... I went from 1 gig to two and it takes it all, I ran FSX in Window mode with my Task manager up and saw all 1.6 gigs of available ram being used..... or rather devoured.... FSX Runs stuttery for me (I guarantee its the Graphics card, come on 163Mhz overclock is worthless on a 4 pipe card) so all I need is a graphics card, on medium settings I can run 15FPS relativly well with a few stutters here and there, this is with the maule. Because I am usually doing bush flying and not Long hauls in heavies at the moment, I'm really not much for a loss! (Oh and I tweaked my FSX CFG quite alot) also, is the self shadow setting in the CFG or in the 'in game' settings?

Cheers, Gunny

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Reply #43 - Oct 16^th, 2006 at 6:08am

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Well, FS lovers, I've not seen anyone recommending to turn off self-shadowing before (but then again, I may have missed it as I don't get around very much.. ??? ) but doing so has transformed the demo for me. BTW - it's in settings..aircraft..aircraft casts shadows on itself.

I just took off from Bradshaw in the CRJ in a heavy thunderstorm (lightning, heavy rain, rain reflecting on runway, spray from wheels while taxying and from jet blast when engines spooled up for take off) and flew straight into heavy cloud, flew away from the airport for several minutes, called up Tower for directions to return and landed again, all manually (ie like a simulated emergency - great fun, real seat of pants stuff).

In cockpit and external views FR hardly fell below 16 FPS (target 16)

Have to be careful - at this rate might end up buying it... ???

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Reply #44 - Oct 16^th, 2006 at 7:00am

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I turned off self shadowing last night

Has any else been as stoopid as me and not tried turning self shadowing off? If so, you might be quite surprised if you do Wink

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Psssst.....Uncle Bill is Shadowing me, at the moment... Shocked

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Just remembered.....My memory....

Just been out and bought another new stick of memory...PNY 184 pin, 1Gig, PC3200 for £66, (reduced from £99), from PC World....
Removed one of my 3 X 256MB sticks, (I have 3 slots), and replaced it with the 1 GB stick.
I now have 1,536 Mb total of memory installed... Grin

Grin

...!

I'll give FSX a re-try after I've finished cooking dins and let you know how I got on....
...(Check if the HDD is still spooling data)...!

Paul...hiding in a shadow..... Wink

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LOL... Grin

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Yamaha MO6,MM6,DX7,DX11,DX21,DX100,MK100,EMT10,PSR400,PSS780,Roland GW-8L v2,TR505,Casio MT-205,Korg CX3v2 dual manual,+ Leslie 760,M-Audio Prokeys88,KeyRig,Cubase,Keyfax4,Guitars,Orchestral,Baroque,Renaissance,Medieval Instruments.

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